Why do you think so?
Even during the Civil War, Lincoln’s ascent to the presidency wasn’t violently challenged.
The rest of the list were assassinated, but not by political rivals. So your assertion is baseless.
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I would say, “that ship was a lie all along”. America has never lived up much to its purported ideals. It’s rumbled along on sheer economic might for a few hundred years, but it’s never been fair, representative, just, or welcoming to anyone except cis het conservative white men.
This can be taken as a good thing. Events like this past month may help Americans face up to that and start making improvements faster.
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Can’t be said enough. It’s not about losing something we were it’s about committing to what we aspire to become.
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Keller? Like being blind and deaf, or did you mean Dunning-Kruger?
Transfer of power. Violence was done, and then someone had to be sworn in. This happened four times. This last president refused to accept the democratic results of your last election, hyped up a giant lie to his rabid fanbase, and set them loose to try and overturn that election. No, I’ve got a lot of “base” to my assertion that the United States of America has experienced non-peaceful transfers of power.
Nah. He’s out of office. No more articles of impeachment for anything. Indict the motherfucker and deny bail.
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I guess the last 4 years has given people all kinds of license to make up their own history. Have fun with that!
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As a Canadian who lived in the US for 25 years, I really think this is a key issue. There is a widespread delusion that America is a better and more just democracy than all other places. The kids are taught so many lies in schools, from the story of Columbus to Thanksgiving to the Pledge of Allegiance to all the whitewashing of past presidents. Most of the people who need to initiate change (middle class white people) are very indoctrinated that everything is about as good as a person can expect and that the history of the country is all pretty noble and living up to ideals. I’ve really seen this effect in conversations with my liberal-minded white American coworkers these past few months. Everyone is acting like deer in headlights and saying things like “What happened to America?”. I’m trying to tell them constantly, “No! This is exactly what it has always been. You’ve just been lied to your whole life about it”.
I think it’s a big part of why one of the oldest current democracies is so far behind all the much younger ones in terms of building a true just and prosperous society.
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All we can say is that apparently at some point even Trump decided whatever ‘the plan’ was, it wouldn’t work.
I mean a plan that even Trump thinks is pointless must have been quite something.
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True. We were an early version that’s still in Beta.
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I don’t think that’s true in principle. If you committed impeachable conduct while in office, and it came to light only later, after leaving that office, that shouldn’t be a get-out-of-impeachment-free card.
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fixed. ( now there was a person with strength, intelligence, and perseverance. our twice impeached failure of a former president isn’t anywhere near her class )
the cake is (also) a lie.
well the plan put him as attorney general of the united states. not a nobody, and kind of an important job. whether or not any charges or threat of charges he cooked up were real, having the doj put pressure on you is triple plus ungood.
enough americans believed there was election fraud they rioted and attacked the capitol, that clinton’s emails murdered kittens, and that joe biden is king of ukraine.
sometimes power matters more than facts.
if they had gotten any one of the states to officially repudiate the results it could have been game over.
- lowering the bar ( the barr?
) for other states to follow suit. - giving cover for many more republicans in congress to contest the election.
i think we easily could have seen things getting thrown to the supreme court, trump refusing to leave office, and an insurrection. ( we got one of those regardless. )
definitely terrifying. here’s to hoping it helps convince republicans to convict him.
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True. And to be clear about my original statement, I said “America as we know it.” We know it to be unfair, unequal, violent. But we do not currently have a dictator in charge. Imagine having one. No Joe Bidens and Kamala Harrises ever again. We would go full nazi. That’s what I meant. Not from idyllic to hell. No: from almost-hell to complete-hell.
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Sure, but it’s also a political process and they already have a better article of impeachment before the Senate. The criminal and civil courts are where things need to be exhaustive.
If the establishment republicans don’t want to take the opportunity now to rid themselves of Il Douche, then, sure, impeach him again later if things change to allow it or if it will help the dems electorally.
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The lesson we should take away from this is that there was a veritable army of people ready and willing to carry out the coup and the one person who stopped it was Donald J Trump. Sort of like the guy who killed Hitler. If he had been for real and not a cowardly fraud we would be in outright civil war/living in a authoritarian dictatorship right now. Months and months of planning were thrown right out when he failed to show up at the Capitol building.
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Duh, oops, deleting.
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The political calculus and feasibility is a separate question. Sure, maybe it won’t make sense to do a post-term impeachment many or most of the times it might be considered.
But that’s no reason to count out the possibility a priori either.
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