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A lot of our grandpas shot nazis, some firebombed them. Others even gutted them with bayonets.
My grandma built machines for killing them. Her sister built ships for carrying those weapons.
Are they no better than nazis?
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I don’t disagree with cap.
Your squeamishness isn’t worth minorities sacrificing themselves on the pyre of your self-righteousness.
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I know, some people have difficulty understanding the difference between the past and the present.
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What makes nazis now adays any better than they were back then?
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Nazis nowadays are mostly trollies on Twitter, a few dumbasses who protest in public and occasionally beat beat people, and a small handful who actually kill people.
Nazis back then committed the holocaust.
Tthey seem pretty committed right now. Seeing as they’re scrambling to power, bullying the public, and making the government pay for it.
Fuck, there’s at least one in the white house, turning it into a pigsty. Yet you keep telling me that there’s nothing to worry about and that nothing is seriously fucked up, and doing anything that’s worked in the past to get rid of them is the worst thing ever.
That makes me think you might have a dog in the fight here.
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What exactly guarantees that Nazis now won’t do the same or even worse now, if given the opportunity?
WHY should Blacks, Jews, Transfolks, Gays, Women, Latinos, Muslims and pretty much everybody else on the freakin’ planet who isn’t White, male and supposedly Xtian take that chance?!?
History repeats itself, especially if we don’t learn from it; and I’m not willingly going to a mass, unmarked grave for anyone else’s puffed up sense of false morality.
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Cites, please.
No, I don’t think he would have fired it at that specific crowd. That isn’t the way they usually act. They would have found someone walking home that night screamed the same shit from their car and then gotten out and beaten someone who they outnumbered. To you someone screaming these things is some kind of rare mildly bothersome occurrence. For a lot of people they are the way that the worst night of their lives began. I’m sorry if I don’t give the benefit of the doubt to the felon who traveled across state lines to glorify genocide then shot at some people. But if you are so concerned about the effectiveness of Nazi punching as a tactic, what are you doing? What more effective tactic are you using? Because if you are calling for Ghandian non-violence on the part of someone else I want to know how you are making them safer.
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Lots of groups are doing that. It doesn’t mean they have a hope of succeeding.
Huh? Trump is a lot of terrible terrible things, but he’s not a Nazi.
And where did I ever say there’s nothing to worry about, I said it’s probably going to get worse. The problem is your “solution” of violence is going to add to the problem.
And do recall the thing that actually created the conditions that led to the rise of the Nazis was WWI. The more violence the more people will turn to strongmen who they think will protect them.
Then smarten up.
Because there’s not that many of them. The only way they’d get the opportunity is if the alt-right as a whole became massively radicalized.
Here’s the history to learn, the ends don’t justify the means, the means become the ends. Most people here agree that drone strikes to kill terrorists just end up radicalizing people and creating more terrorists, why is it so absurd to think that using violence against Nazis will further radicalize Nazis and their sympathizers.
To me this honestly reads like a bunch of people who want to feel tough by saying they’re going to go punch a Nazi, just like that protester wanted to feel tough my smashing the car window. I’m not willing to sacrifice lives so someone can feel like a badass.
And they get presidents elected. And they’d most certainly commit a genocide once again if they could. And they most certainly regularly advocate for such on a regular basis. And they most certainly commit acts of violence when given the chance, against the people they view as their “racial” enemies. This is not subjective on our part, it’s documented facts. Go see what organizations like the Southern Poverty Law center have to say about these groups.
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Possibly, not assuredly.
I agree completely.
Fighting disinformation wherever I can and advocating for empathy and reasonable actions. Engaging with the most radicalized people I know to try to pull them back towards the centre. Trying to figure out the proper tactics for my own side.
I don’t claim to be an activist doing great work in the fight against extremism. But that doesn’t mean I can’t recognize counterproductive actions driven more by a sense of outrage and righteous indignation than a clinical attempt to combat the problem.
Exactly. Hey, BoingBoing tough guys: want to punch a Nazi? Kyle Chapman has an offer for you!
Or you could, you know, not stoop to his level.
This.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by ‘massively’? No snark here, I just want to know what you mean.
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Bashed the back window is a little vague. A tap on the window or was it smashed?
In any event, the neo-Nazi supporters seemed to be ticking bombs already.
Shortly before leaving an area in front of the Phillips center, William Fears told reporters he was not afraid to start violence if necessary.
“I’m not saying I’ll do it but if it needs to happen, why not?” Fears said. “If it’s necessary.”
Ohh, it’s Tuesday, totally necessary!
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Then you’re not listening, and there’s no sense in me wasting any more of my time.
Let others keep tilting at windmills futilely, if they so choose.
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The same thing as Islamic terrorism there’s a big continuum from mainstream conservative Islam to full-blown terrorism.
You have group 1, a bunch of people who are somewhat sympathetic to the world view but abhor the tactics, this is the GOP.
Then you have group 2, people who share the world view but abhor the tactics, the alt-right.
Then group 3 who share the wold view and accept the tactics, the Nazis.
Finally group 4 who is doing the actual killing… which is the handful of Nazis doing the killing.
My worry is that if you see a big increase in violence, particularly left vs right violence, then a lot of people are going to go down a group. Altright will go Nazi and more Nazis will kill.
I think it has happened once already except the trigger was the Obama presidency making them think the fight had started. If you read conservative media you’ll realize that a lot of people really perceived Obama as an aggressive left-wing cultural warrior. I think he really tried to avoid that, but at the end of the day he was a black man who had spent some of his childhood around Muslims and he would never have been President if the cultural left hadn’t won some massive victories.
