just one thing…please have internal monologues. It was one of the very best and most accurate parts of Lynch’s Dune.
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Hey folks on the U.S. west coast. I am so sorry you all are in the midst of really dangerous smoke, fire, etc.
Please take good care.
I realize that Arrakis is a desert planet, but I just looked at Twitter feed from Mother Jones editor-in-chief Twitter and dang, it looks like California is turning into Arrakis. Someone said as much in the comments on this Twitter thread:
ETA: Oh shit!
ETA2: JFC
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If memory serves those were added by the studio and production company after control of the film was taken away from Lynch in post production. He stayed the director and finished the theatrical cut we got (and only the theatrical cut). But they forced reshoots, insisted on the voice overs, and apparently even had others do reshoots.
Lynch won’t generally discuss the film. But the voice overs in particular were apparently not his doing and likely against his wishes.
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Herbert was fascinated by sand dunes, at least in 1953. “Fluid mechanics with sand.”
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Oh, crap. I glossed that over. Damn. It wasn’t the Butlerian Crusade. And it’s not going to be Maud’Dib’s Crusade. Herbert was pretty explicitly drawing off the Trans-caucasus Islamic tribes. Jihad is the right word here.
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I am blown away that it took this long for someone to mention the desiccation of the cash cow. I read three or four of Brian’s . . .variations on a theme. I will never get that time back, and it tasted like watching the third Matrix fiasco.
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The cast would be different:
Something something about gravity being lower on that planet.
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Whether or not he wanted them in there; they were incredibly accurate to the book and were one of the best parts of the film that he directed. the point holds regardless of what he wished or didn’t.
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i think i read the first… six books of the Chronicles of Thomas Covenant, but ended up giving up on it because while i liked the world and the idea of the whole thing, he was an anti-hero before there was such a thing, and GOD did i hate him. He rapes, he constantly whines, ugh. he was terrible.
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to be fair, i really liked some of them, and some of them i honestly hate-read. all the pre-history stuff was GREAT as far as i am concerned… the history of the Houses, leading right up to where the first book begins? AWESOME. loved the Butlerian Jihad history, all that. but the POST stuff had some really awful stuff. i don’t get why the Bene Gesserit had to have this violent, cartoonish anti-order, and there was other stuff that i slogged through just to see it to the (so far) end. i’m glad i read them all, but not sure i’m eager to read the latter history stuff again.
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I’m not seeing it. Star Wars is very anti-sand.
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All the sand-which-is there!
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But not about the Opium Wars.
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Re: Jihad
I have doubts that Paul is using “crusade” in reference to the Fremen’s position. What we have in the first half of the novel is an invasion of Arrakis by the Emperor, and the Sardaukar, because they feel House Atreides has become too powerful and is a threat.
As this invasion progresses, there are scary rumblings that the Fremen are far more numerous and powerful than anyone ever imagined. The oppressors start fearing the Fremen, and their Messiah, spice production drops, and everyone feels that steps have to be taken to further subjugate Arrakis.
Given this movie ends in the middle of the book, I think the “crusade” Paul references is what the Fremen are fighting against.
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Yeah, and the weird thing about that movie is that two kinds of misunderstandings happen. Some people miss that it’s satire and can’t believe how the film is glorifying a militaristic future Earth. And the other groups also misses that it’s satire and loves how the film is glorifying a militaristic future Earth. Well, there’s probably a third group, too, that just completely misses everything and just think the bugs look cool, but I can tolerate that group.
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He plays the first sandworm.
Not at all thrilled with the lead actor, but what can you do? I’ll still see it, but I was really spoiled by the original cast. Really looking forward to Zendaya as Chani, though.
Yeah there’s a lot of references in this thread to “Lynch’s Dune” or “Lynch’s Version” but it seems a little unfair to reference the film this way when Lynch has stated many times he didn’t have final cut:
“It was a failure and I didn’t have final cut. I’ve told this story a billion times. It’s not the film I wanted to make.”
From now on I shall refer to it as “Alan’s Dune” or “1984 Dune”!
I know sand gets a bad rap but I’ve always kinda liked the beach kind.
Even when it finds it’s way into bed sheets at least it means I’ve had a good day.
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Really? I can’t imagine better casting. Paul appears in this movie pretty much exactly as he’s described in the book. And for the first the time, he appears to be in the neighborhood of the correct age (sure, the actor is in his early twenties, but he passes pretty well for 15 here). What do you not like about his being cast?
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