Trump Afghanistan plan? More air strikes likely, and training Afghan air force

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Haberman is a disgrace. The only way to justify what she’s doing is if she imagines herself to be a deep-cover agent in the White House or some such nonsense.




I think you can probably get away with only turning Trump and Pence off. Don’t worry about turning them back on again.



Has anyone tried telling Trump that the Taliban are sort of like the Confederacy, but in Afghanistan? Might mellow him out a bit; though any attempt to build them some statues would be a bit tone deaf and likely end badly.


Let’s face it, in terms of concrete changes, all that’s going to happen is more civilian deaths. That’s been true so far in his presidency and it’s not going to get any better.

Grrr, it doesn’t even make sense. How does the US get rid of terrorists without there being a stable, democratic government that’s responsive to its people in Afghanistan? If his only solution to the problem of terrorism is to just bomb the shit out of anyone who might be one, it’s only going to get worse. Ah well, four or five years from now people will start noticing that the situation is worse and blame it on the next guy in the White House.


USAF Crop Dusters


"In the course of the last decade, there has been a surge in Afghan opium production. In turn the number of heroin addicts in the US has increased dramatically. Is there a relationship?

“There were 189,000 heroin users in the US in 2001, before the US-NATO invasion of Afghanistan. By 2016 that number went up to 4,500,000 (2.5 million heroin addicts and 2 million casual users). Heroin deaths shot up from 1,779 in 2001 to 10,574 in 2014 as Afghan opium poppy fields metastasized from 7,600 hectares in 2001 (when the US-NATO War in Afghanistan began) to 224,000 hectares in 2016. (One hectare equals approximately 2.5 acres). Ironically, the so-called US eradication operation in Afghanistan has cost an estimated $8.5 billion in American taxpayer funds since the US-NATO-Afghan war started in October 2001.” ( See the article by Sibel Edmonds, August 22, 2017)

Afghanistan produces over 90 percent of the opium which feeds the heroin market."

Wipe out poppy production. War over.


Wipe out poppy production. Afghan economy collapses, mass famine, huge refugee flows, war continues.

Poppy production relocates to a neighbouring country. War begins.


What opioid emergency?

Interesting read from 2016:


We executed him; but there used to be a guy in Iraq who had some pretty solid experience in suppressing terrorists(among a wide variety of others) without resorting to democracy, responsive government, popular representation, and such.


Send them Confederate statues.

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What crack epidemic?

  1. Merck and Pfizer aren’t buying their supplies from Afghanistan. Wanna come visit the legal opium farms in Tasmania?
  2. Prohibition makes drug problems worse, not better. Legalise, regulate, educate.
  3. American healthcare failures do not justify burning the crops of Afghan peasants.

I had no idea. “Farms in Tasmania produce about 50% of the world’s licit poppy straw that is later refined into opiates such as morphine and codeine.” -Wiki

And I thought Tasmanian Devils were the players down there.


One bit missed in their discussion of the harms of the drug war, though: the international impact.

Firstly, the slaughter unleashed across the world, both direct and indirect. Military and paramilitary (DEA) US raids across South America. Drug-supported crime and terrorism across the world. Etc.

Secondly: US diplomatic and economic abuse.

For example:


Australian kids, who could have lived, are dead because of this bastardry.


The first time I was in Tasmania, I travelled through the opium district on my way back from a week in the bush.

All of the foreign tourists on the bus commented on the lovely flowers, and how nice it was to see a farm growing such pretty things. Some of them speculated that they might be tulips. :slight_smile:


Have you tried turning the United States off and back on again?

Unfortunately, nothing turns the United States on like war.


Thanks for the good info!

Here’s a recent article in Forbes is suggesting a more sane approach to reducing poppy production.

"…Policies that help decrease the drug supply, and decrease funds to terrorists, need to be implemented despite the Afghan opium cartel’s resistance.

Demand should be decreased through better treatment policies for drug users that reduce users’ harm in exchange for giving them treatment, while targeting dealers with traditional law enforcement techniques. This will decrease demand for opium in Afghanistan, which will facilitate conversion of agricultural land to legitimate crops. The alternative to a tough and holistic strategy against both supply and demand will allow narco-terrorism in Afghanistan, including of the Taliban and Islamic State variety, to continue to make gains at the expense of the elected government, and worldwide communities beset by an epidemic of heroin abuse"

This is obviously a huge piece of the Afghan puzzle with no easy solution. It will not go away because an asshat president decides to shoot, kill and bomb people out of existence for another x number of years.

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Roger That!