Last night I was very careful to avoid the news media and most of the internet. My spouse and I went out to eat tacos and then watch Dr. Strange a second time, and I spent the rest of the night making electronic music.
This morning I feel like I’ve woken up in the wrong timeline.
Well, no. I’m on record somewhere, saying I placed my bet on Trump so I had a personal silver lining if shit hit the fan. Clinton wasn’t even the nominee back then - a Trump presidency is bad on its own terms, regardless of who is on the other side. But it was clear from the beginning that Clinton was probably one of the worst possible candidate to run against him. If having a brain makes me a monster, so be it.
Without Sanders in 2020 (presuming the dude would like to retire at some point in life), I’m thinking Warren. But, the next 4 years will be a horse race to see if the Dems can muster more than two viable candidates.
Oh, agreed in spades. But somehow I’d assumed the same impulse that propelled Ford to victory wouldn’t, nay, couldn’t hold when the most powerful position on the planet was at stake.
Of course, instead of blaming themselves, Hillary, and their alienation from the working class, Clinton’s supporters will blithely continue to blame others. It’ll take a second win for Trump to maybe, just maybe change things. In the meanwhile, all the people who got it wrong, keep getting it wrong, and have no intentions of ever changing will keep being asked for their opinions.
Of course, in the interim it’ll be a a disaster. But, to be sure, it would also have been a disaster if Clinton had won. At least with Trump, it’ll be a new exciting disaster.
Well. . . I’m not going to read through all these comments here, so if someone has already said this forgive me, but the one thing to remember: now the GOP has to try and deliver on Trump’s promises, which are physically impossible (a border wall paid for by Mexico), unconstitutional (restricting Muslims) and/or economic death sentences (a trade war with China.) Plus factor in the weird gymnastics of trying to repeal and replace Obamacare with something more conservative, and the eternal pipe dream of tax cuts for the rich magically helping the middle class, and you can expect a lot of disillusioned Trump voters in 2020.
Perhaps giving America’s mouth-breathing dumb-asses exactly what they want is the only way to show them how clueless they are.
This way the opposition can be blamed for the right-wingers failures. Fun! Will it take the form of “we lost the war at home” or “they stabbed us in the back!”?
…she was astonishingly tone-deaf, aloof, compromised by questionable ethics, in denial and indifferent about grotesque inequality, etc. She lost because she was not the right candidate for the times. Blame a Democratic party that was more concerned with political alliances than substance. Let’s also not forget that, to some extent, Clinton is responsible for inflicting Trump on us. It was her campaign that implored sympathetic media to ‘elevate’ his candidacy and to ‘take him seriously’. (And Bill’s phone call encouraging him to run).
There are some voters here who have said that they voted for Obama twice and didn’t get what they were hoping for, so this time they’re voting for Trump.
I don’t understand what they’re hoping to get from two totally different people.
I was reviled back in March and April when I openly hoped and warned this would happen. Nobody believed us Bernie voters would jump over to Trump, even though Trump was nailing a lot of the same messages. Anti-TPP, H1B reform, and draining the swamp. The false racism and sexism flags were and still are irrelevant to the Trump vote. He has championed minority rights in the past, promoted women to executive positions based purely on merit, and treats those in his personal life with respect. If you’re going to criticism him based on a few out of context quotes or some locker room banter, you should have been fair and criticized Hillary for the same, or better yet, actually criticized Hillary for some of the real criminal behavior on her part. The Democrats had other choices, but they let corruption rule their selection. Hillary couldn’t even win the primary fairly. It took DNC collusion, media collusion, and actual voter fraud to get her a primary win. We’ve been telling you all that the polls were wrong all along. To see it for yourself you simply had to look at the data. When Hillary favored demographics are drastically oversampled to make her look good, you can’t rely on the poll.
There is still a way forward here. Trump is likely genuine in his desire to put America first and drain the swamp. Help him root out the corruption. Do your research. Vote fresh, clean, republicans and democrats into office. Vote the bad apples out. Vote the money out. Support congressional term limits. With a clean system, we can start to fix things on both sides. Trump is not going to trounce on LGBT rights (which Hillary despised privately). He’s going to leave it up to states. Vote. The Affordable Care Act was beyond saving anyway. Trump won’t give you single payer, but he can clear the slate and you can hope to vote in someone that will give it to you in four or eight years. Vote.
Switching over to the republican side for this election has been a very strange and eye opening experience. I’ve been independent, learning democrat, ever since I was old enough to vote. I always viewed the republicans as uneducated, backwards, and regressive. That element certainly exists, but there are overwhelmingly a lot of good people on that side. Standing side by side with people I’d have looked down on a few years back, I was very humbled. I have a lot of hope for the future now. Most people are good. On all sides. Most people want to make the country great. We’re being played by a corrupt system at practically every turn. Trump is a message. It is defiance against a system that has overwhelming colluded to keep a corrupt administration in place. You might hate Trump, but he is as outsider as it gets. No other outsider would have had the resources and star power to pull a win here. Watch him closely. Call him out if he strays from his promise to drain the swamp. Make that rooting out of corruption the number one issue. We can do this!
Who’s the next Nader going to be? Johnson and Stein? Could be, but they were hemorrhaging voters toward the end. Sanders? He wasn’t running, but whatevs. Whiny spoiled Millennials for staying home and sulking rather than voting for Hillary? That’s only a stereotype, and is false more often than true, but it sure looks like the new scapegoat the establishment needs. Rah Rah Team Blue failed to understand why people voted third party and blamed everyone but those who actually were to blame: themselves, for 1) fielding a shitty candidate who 2) failed to reach out and instead 3) continued to marginalize those she most needed.
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tone-deaf, aloof, compromised by questionable ethics, in denial and indifferent about grotesque inequality, etc.
[/quote]Literally true for both candidates.
Bernie might have won WI, but I severely doubt it. He probably would carry PA and MI making Trump still win the 270 he needs even if it’s a little closer race. I don’t see Bernie winning all three of PA, MI, and WI. Trump 100% won on the back of the Midwest, and Hillary lost because of Florida.