And ironically, a Sanders-like candidate loses in one of those states (WI).
Not me. I’m already crafting my “we knew this would happen, but you had to be an asshole and vote for him anyways” speech.
Americans are stupid, ignorant, racist assholes. Sorry, but that’s what this indicates, and that’s why this happened. Now we have to ask why that’s the case…
I know, I know. There was horrible voter suppression, and a lot of people couldn’t vote. The Republicans are fully to blame for that, not the non-voters. People should be in jail for that. But beyond that, black voters who could have voted didn’t come out in the same numbers as the last election, and from what I’ve been reading, a large number of black and hispanic voters who did get to polls apparently voted for someone other than Hillary. So yeah, that portion of the voting public also absolutely deserves some of the blame, even if this mostly rests on the shoulders of white America.
Edit: Here’s some numbers from PBS:
That’s a shockingly large number of latino Trump supporters, given.
It’s still not clear if that or voter apathy was the biggest part. It does seem that non-white voters who could get to the polls didn’t cast the number of ballots for Hillary that were expected, and I’m reading that they voted in significant numbers for third party candidates. Although I’m sure we’ll never really know how big an effect the voter suppression had, given its nature…
They don’t really know, of course. There’s fear of what the shifting economy and loss of the middle class means for them, but there’s also fear of losing white privilege, fear of losing male privilege, fear of losing Christian numerical superiority, fear of complicated gender dynamics, fear of, well, the whole of the modern world…
Well, yes. He has the ability to crash the world economy. He has his finger on the nuclear button and has expressed a willingness to use it. He can create global calamity.
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They certainly haven’t been pro-Trump this season.
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Literally nothing was going to change their minds. She could have showed up at every single one of their houses, with a plan to put them and their children to work and they’d have slammed the door in her face. It didn’t matter what she did or said, because they hate her. She could have spent the whole election courting them and she still would have lost them.
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Newsflash;
#We all lost, dude.
You live in the US?
You lost.
Do you live on PLANET EARTH?
Then:
YOU. LOST. TOO
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Yeah, she was literally facing the KKK, neo-Nazis, and other hate-mongering extremist Trump backers and making it clear that these weren’t the people she was trying to reach out to. What exactly do you do when your opponent is backed by the KKK, neo-Nazis, and other hate-mongering extremists? Maybe writing them off isn’t constructive, but it’s not an easy problem to deal with. Pragmatically, if you don’t reject them vociferously you’ll lose other people, and morally it’s imperative to take on that evil somehow.
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Well I’m sure none of his potential voters was completely turned off by the whole Dem brand after such a gallantly fought primary, that he just remained home yesterday.
Dude, we’ll never know what would have happened. But you should be honest enough to admit that the people who decided Clinton was a good candidate, and the parameters they employed to make that judgement, have been so beaten today that they should probably be disqualified for a while.
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An appreciable message, and about the only one I can handle without flipping the fuck out, but that analogy utterly disregards the US’s place as a Hypersuperpower. With Bush we got involved in some wars you might recall (that have cost us over $3 Trillion) and our economy took a little hit that spread a touch to the rest of the world. I don’t think this particular situation is as easy as shunting trump towards the strip club when he’s wanting to order the JCS to attack Belize because their customs agents weren’t nice enough to him.
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it doesn’t matter. There has been years and years of a narrative built up that she is the most corrupt politician in modern history. Doesn’t matter that there are literal child rapists who have been elected to congress in recent years, that nothing she’s done in politics is anything more than politics. South Park helped build that narrative in the minds of younger voters, that she’s somehow especially dangerous and corrupt. They are part of that libertarian contingent who don’t care that the liberal state over the years has been helpful for women and POC.
This is what we get out of this narrative, a bunch of man-children who will literally burn down the country if a woman - but that woman especially - is put into power. Because the rest of us do not matter to them. They literally think that WE DO NOT MATTER. South park helped with that and them backpeddling by mocking trump isn’t going to help.
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GWB had a complete lock on media post-9/11. This time even Fox News was genuinely baffled. I understand what you’re saying, but let’s not freak out before anything actually happens.
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There are a lot of reasons to be anti-Clinton, not just right wing talking points.
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Please read what I wrote above. She’s been made out to be somehow worse than literally all the other politicians out there… even child rapists. She’s not. She wasn’t my first choice and she isn’t free from corruption, but it’s the normal, everyday corruption of doing the job of politics. I don’t like her, she’s not great, but we don’t need a George Wallace throw back in the white house.
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Most of the Trump voters? Sure. American politics is too polarized to win many people over in one year or ten.
But could she have won enough votes from reluctant Trump voters and abstainers to have swung the election the other way, if she had been less “smug?” If she had focused more on “This is what I will do to help you” instead of “Look at the horrible things that Trump and his supporters said today?” I have no way of knowing for certain, but I think so.
I don’t know. I agree that you certainly have to denounce them… but apparently, grouping them all into a “basket of deplorables” doesn’t work.
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This election was closer than 2000, was Gore so badly beaten that the Democrats would never recover?
It’s hard to say, but I’d avoid generalizing over any set of parameters as any one (cough emails, cough Comey), could have had a supernatural impact.
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If you haven’t done so already, read the Mark Ames "Spite the Vote" article from 2004. Relevant pull quotes:
Rich, beautiful, coastal types are liberal precisely because their lives are so wonderful. They want to preserve their lives exactly as they are. If I were a rich movie star, I’d vote for peace and poverty relief. War and domestic insurrection are the greatest threats to their already-perfect lives–why mess with it?
[…]
non-millionaires who vote Republican, the so-called “Reagan Democrats,” know that the country is not theirs. They are mere wage-slave fodder, so their only hope is to vote for someone who makes the very happiest people’s lives a little less happy. If I’m an obese 40-something white male living in Ohio or Nevada, locked into a permanent struggle with foreclosure, child support payments and outsourcing threats, then I’m going to vote for the guy who delivers a big greasy portion of misery to the Sarandon-Robbins dining room table, then brags about it on FoxNews. Even if it means hurting myself in the process.
Short version: it’s totally worth it to them.
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The Midwest swinging the election to Trump after voting for Bernie pretty much proves what you are saying.
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Man, I’ve been losing since 1989, and I was 10 back then. I got used to it. My side loses, we’re the ones who will be sent to camps with the Jews and the Gypsies, my dad is in some police profiling and I’m probably in some stupid NSA report. That’s how it is. We lose. Which is why I’m often right when I say “this other guy is gonna win”. At least this time I actually put some money on it, it should pay for a few nice dinners.
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I think this will be studied for a long time. My theory is undecideds who pulled unexpectedly for Drumpf last minute (possibly because of some last-minute factors). The models assume the undecideds are going to vote as they always do, which they clearly didn’t.
I’d also like to look at the turnout demographics… HRC was down by a bit in PA with young voters, for instance…
Prodi and Bersani were the only two able to beat Berlusconi at the political elections. Both of them have a heavy polical baggage.
