Well, they did lose all 3 this time, and the supreme court is super-f**ked for sure. But I guess we’ll have 2018…
I’d say that Clinton played to her strengths in order to get the Democratic nomination. She’s not a fiery orator, lacks charisma and people don’t trust her. She believes that she has the stuff to be president. So she builds consensus, ingratiates herself with the party elite, builds a support structure within to enable it. It’s politics as usual and it didn’t fly and it sucks to be us, but really, it wasn’t DNC cheating or conniving. Bernie started from nothing. Clinton didn’t, because she knew she couldn’t win from that position, and why should she start from nothing?
I mean, there’s no way Clinton would beat Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden and even Joe Shlabotnik if they started on an equal footing in terms of party support or infrastructure, everybody inside and outside the whole process knew that. But why should she? I’d say that as a candidate she nullified her weaknesses as best she could in the hopes of being a strong president. It’s too bad she couldn’t overcome those weaknesses and now the rest of the world has to pay the price, but honestly, I can’t fault her.
That’s just not true. Jeb! dug his own grave. So did Christie and Rubio. They all just disintegrated.
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No, dude. The starting gun for Trump was launched a long time ago. Boing Boing and the rest of the shitty media like you helped make this happen – and Trump won. You too often ignored the progressive candidate that would have beaten Trump in a general election and instead helped to prop up a weak corporatist, Republican-lite candidate like Hillary Clinton.
The incredibly important question today is…
Do you, @beschizza think of yourself as a progressive? You know, the kind that tries to learn from past mistakes and evolve as a human being? You and the rest of the staff on Boing Boing seem to act like you are. Your many posts that decry conservative agendas seem to point that way.
Do you and the rest of the Boing Boing staff ( @xeni @jlw @frauenfelder @pesco ) perhaps NOW understand what I was trying to tell you last year?
link: https://bbs.boingboing.net/t/boing-boing-why-wont-you-properly-cover-bernie-sanders/62671
Oh, and to the Boing Boing commenters who offered support in private messages, etc. and at least attempted to understood my motivations while the rest of you circled the wagons around the Boing Boing staff and shit all over me.
Thank you.
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I know I addressed you first, but please just stop talking to me. Your comments are like salt and I get the feeling you’re enjoying this, and will continue to do so until you personally are affected.
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This is exactly what I’m talking about. Those “supernatural parameters” were there from day 1. Clinton was such a bad candidate, that everybody knew even the slightest suggestion of a skeleton in her closet, no matter how outlandish or flimsy, would have been big enough to ruin her chances. And still she got nominated. Whoever thought that was a good idea, should probably sit down next time.
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Prodi had little political baggage when he ran. Bersani didn’t win, which is why someone else is running the country with his votes (and besides, by then Silvio was in pieces by his own actions).
I think that depends upon how many people are revolting.
There is a middle-ground where action can be forceful, but not violent. This includes restraining violent people. For example, if a cop threatens to shoot somebody in your neighborhood, is it more violent to tie up that cop, or not? If you do the former everybody might live, but if you do the former somebody might die. Teeth is having the force to enact your plans rather than petitioning somebody else to do it.
The real power of police is not their guns, but their organization. Such as their radios and dispatch. Cops take for granted that if they harass you, you can’t call for backup. So - they feel that they can do whatever they like, it’s all fair game. The ability to organize is what people need to prevail, guns won’t do anything without this.
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Is it because she’s a woman, or because she’s the establishment?
You’re funny.
I try.
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A day that will live in infamy.
I think that this is going to be a year that will live in infamy.
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Bernie would have fared better than Clinton, I believe.
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Right now I see a lot of smug right wingers on twitter. Remember, it’s only smug when liberals do it.
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Right… and Drumpf won because he lacked said skeletons? I think the assertion that the winnability of a candidate is correlated with their potential gotchas is pretty silly. What mattered is that her particular gotcha resonated with the anti-establishment message. That, coupled with a well-timed October surprise (intentional or not, maybe Guliani can tell us, or wait he doesn’t know anything) seemed like just the hit to knock her down ~3% a week before the election. Is she a bad candidate because she had this weakness? Well, hindsight sure is 20/20, ain’t it?
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“Fascist elected President” doesn’t count as something worth freaking out over?
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Trump’s first cabinet pick will be a toss-up between Chachi Arcola and Stephen Baldwin.
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“You’re clowning. You’re not clowning? I sense clowns.”
All it took for a comeback was a complete collapse of the world economy. I would say something sarcastic like “How likely is that?” but actually it’s probably gonna happen right at the point we get sick of winning.
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Here we go:
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Nothing is different today except now you know. If you didn’t know before, you weren’t paying attention.
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A politicized supreme court meant you didn’t have a democracy anyway.
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This is my fault and I’m not even American. Why do I teach my daughter to believe in a monster who divides people into groups and says which is worthy and which is not (i.e. Santa Claus)? Why do I feign belief in economic theory to maintain civility? Why do I vote for political parties that ought to be 100% disqualified based on their disdain for the public because they aren’t as bad as the other totally disqualified party?
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Trump ran on making america great again, Clinton ran on keeping it great. By winning, Trump proved america was not great. That’s some fucking irony.
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When you bring up the median income of Trump supporters you are supporting Trump. You are buying into the idea that everyone who voted for Trump did it because they wanted something for themselves. We’re not goddamned homo economicus. Like no one voted for Trump because they were concerned about what was going on in their communities. Do you know who has economic anxiety? People who are doing okay themselves but look around them and see all kinds of problems. Think about what the word anxiety means. Same shit as when people say, “Those jobs were never coming back” like nothing could be done. How many miles of poisonous pipeline need to be replaced in the hundreds of first world counties that have lead in the water? How many people need jobs? Why can’t you put those things together? Oh right, because in America (and in fucking Canada, and half the rest of the fucking world) public policy is solely about making already rich fucks more rich, and no one is trying to change that.
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How did answering bad speech with more speech work for you, you fucking freedom of speech fetishists?
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Even though Trump supporters are largely racist, blaming Trump support on racism is stupid. The racist vote would have been his whether he was racist or not, and a vote for Trump was logical for a shitload of reasons other than “Durr hurr racism.” For example, your piece of shit country was bound for feudalism one day, when it comes, do you want to be in a state that voted for your petty king or against him?
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Hey Obama, are you glad you are handing Trump an extra-judicial kill list?!? I hope he puts your fucking name on it.
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