Crimea was russian before California was part of the United States. One could easily reverse your argument and ask who encouraged a coup in a democratic country 9 months ahead of scheduled elections with a view to stripping Russia of its warm water port in Sebastopol? My suggestion would be to look at the lady handing out the cookies in Kiev who is a close associate of Mrs Clinton. For that matter someone organised snipers who shot the police and protestors. Cui Bono ? And yes, I think the Russian people would agree that the retention of Sebastopol is in russias national. Same as most Americans are probably in favour of keeping San Diego.
You argue that Mrs Clintons incrementally greater knowledge of foreign policy suggests she is the better leader. I suggest her knowledge is greater but her views and choices are immoral and badly thought through. She had not improved the US FP position with her actions and she had killed many innocents. You may consider this unimportant but for people in west Aleppo it is very important. Iraq was one stupid decision which many idiots participated in. I recommend none of them for President. But Libya was Mrs Clinton’s call. I don’t see the Libyan intervention as a success, unless the goal is to collapse governments, spread misery, IS and AQ, and kill black people. She continues to call for the same in Syria. I would expect the same results.
You might consider her a better candidate anyway, because she doesn’t say as many stupid things. Or because you prefer her domestic policies. But my only point was to remind others that as stupid as Trump is, he has killed 500k fewer brown and black people than HRC. And he had done less harm to us international interests than every politician who voted for the Iraq war. I don’t consider hrc the lesser evil. I consider Trump the less effective evil.
My point is if the only issue was FP, it is not clear that Clinton is the better candidate. I suggest she is worse than the half wit orangutan that you won’t vote for because he is racist. This was the only point I was trying to make.
Repeating myself, I dobt think she is the lesser evil. I think she is the more effective evil. Which is why I will vote for another candidate.
I always bring this up whenever anyone laments Jon Stewart stepping down from The Daily Show. Stewart saw this coming. It may not have been his reason for leaving, but it has certainly validated his decision since then.
A woman who had spent considerable time in party politics (that’s working FOR the party itself, not running as a candidate) and lived in Arkansas (as a woman) supported her husband’s candidacy instead of running herself. News at 10.
That’s interesting: I’ve read the exact opposite a number of times, that she’s actually respected and liked by staff members because she treats them well.
Actually I do agree with Putin about Syria, and about the need to fight Islamic Terrorism rather than to cynically use it to unseat governments the US would like to change.
You do realize that by godwinning the discussion, you’ve lost, eh.
/ Just because people speak russian, it doesn’t automatically make them liars, and just because people don’t follow the official US government dictates, it doesn’t mean that they’re wrong.
If I had meant to say personally I would have. But if you are in favour of a policy which had as a collateral effect the death of a lot of people then isn’t the collateral effect your responsibility as well.?
In Syria, estimates suggest 250k people have died. The syrian policy of syrian regime change and funneling arms to jihadis is a major cause of those deaths.
In Libya the estimate of black Africans killed by Jihadis put in place by HRC and the governments of France and the uk is 40k. How many libyans havedied due to civil war and the collapse of order? HRC had candidly admitted to being the driver of that policy.
Indeed she admitted to be partly responsible for one man having a knife shoved into his bottom and then being shot in the head. Here is the video.
I know you don’t like the idea that HRC is crap at foreign policy, but the us foreign policy establishment is crap at foreign policy, and she is part of it. Tell me what part of us recent fp that you are proud of and had served us interests? TPP?
Here is professor Cohen on Trump and Russia.
I wouldn’t want to misinform. Trump is a bit of an asshole. He is not well briefed in many matters. He might be a racist. But on FP, he is less toxic than HRC who represents interests which brought you the Iraq war.
I know you want a cartoon character to vilify. I know reasonable people could reasonably ignore fp and focus on say the SCOTUS. But to believe that Trump is bad on FP and HRC is good is to blindly accept the media line.
She’s awful on FP. And obviously so. Which is why none of you have showcased one fp “success”. There isn’t one.
That’s easy: no. No more than it’s your responsibility.
Copy-paste news stories all you want. Trump’s doing a perfectly good job of making himself into a cartoon character. But now you’re literally blaming thousands of deaths on… me?
I know that the poster in question isn’t literally saying Hillary murdered people with her bare hands. But every post declares that she “murdered” X number of people, and that X keeps climbing: first a few thousand, then 250k, now 500k, with no actual citations as to when or where her half-million murders occurred or when. It’s ridiculous, which is why I’m calling attention to it.
Our family has been friends for about twenty years with another family whose daughter now works as one of Hillary’s assistants. She’s had nothing but nice things to say about Clinton’s management style. I doubt that says anything distinctive about Hillary, just that behind closed doors she’s no more demanding than most D.C. veterans.
Yeah, and when Stewert “came back” for his rant on Colbert’s show, I was surprised he spent his time going after Fox and not Trump - but of course, this is why.
