Trump repeatedly (8 times) urged Ukraine president to investigate Biden’s son

Did you just try to apply logic to something Trump said?

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Amazing to watch Goldsmith limit his entire response to events to a consideration of the Whistleblower statutes, when Trump has just basically extorted a high foreign official for his own ends, in contravention of his own country’s election laws. Sufficiently narrowing their views makes it easy for Repubs to bend reality. They used to be the “law and order” party.

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Like I said, they thought it’d just be a benevolent oligarchy where the states just decided who to send to the senate. The 17th amendment was ratified in 1913.

In anycase we still have an oligarchy in the senate. It’s just run by republicans now, so nothing positive can ever get done. They’re the party that claims the government can’t ever do anything right, unless it’s allocating taxpayer money, or taking loans out to enrich private corporations.

It’s really sickening how they’re willing to spend trillions of dollars “investing” in private corporations, but get all up in arms if they’re asked to invest in actual people.

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Their doublespeak is astounding. Claims that the government can’t ever do anything right - they are the government.

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It’s like they have a hole in their brain where all the knowledge of the tangible benefits of the New Deal goes.

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As someone said, Republicans believe that government is useless, so when in power they make sure that it is.

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Excerpt From The People Yes

… The learning and blundering people will live on.
They will be tricked and sold and again sold
And go back to the nourishing earth for rootholds,
The people so peculiar in renewal and comeback,
You can’t laugh off their capacity to take it.
The mammoth rests between his cyclonic dramas.

The people so often sleepy, weary, enigmatic,
is a vast huddle with many units saying:
“I earn my living.
I make enough to get by
and it takes all my time.
If I had more time
I could do more for myself
and maybe for others.
I could read and study
and talk things over
and find out about things.
It takes time.
I wish I had the time.”

The people is a tragic and comic two-face: hero and hoodlum:
phantom and gorilla twisting to moan with a gargoyle mouth:
“They buy me and sell me…it’s a game…sometime I’ll
break loose…”

Once having marched
Over the margins of animal necessity,
Over the grim line of sheer subsistence
Then man came
To the deeper rituals of his bones,
To the lights lighter than any bones,
To the time for thinking things over,
To the dance, the song, the story,
Or the hours given over to dreaming,
Once having so marched.

Between the finite limitations of the five senses
and the endless yearnings of man for the beyond
the people hold to the humdrum bidding of work and food
while reaching out when it comes their way
for lights beyond the prison of the five senses,
for keepsakes lasting beyond any hunger or death.
This reaching is alive.
The panderers and liars have violated and smutted it.
Yet this reaching is alive yet
for lights and keepsakes…

–by Carl Sandburg
(sorry I nearly forgot!)

ETA: attribution to poet

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Oooh boy. We’ve got em now! What? What do you mean nothing will happen? Oh. He’s untouchable for some reason. Oh ok. Carry on.

They have always been the party of “rule by law” as opposed to “rule of law”

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IIRC there was also a DNC staffer who looked into it on their own. Not associated with the Clinton campaign or directed by a superior and didn’t go very far. On the order of emailing some embassies for comment.

The claim that Clinton did the real colluding/did it to comes directly from Trump’s mouth. And either Steele or that staffer as proof comes after. The original “she did it first” was Uranium One. Its basically an attempt to massage things that are normal, legal, and involve no quid pro quo into something that resembles what Trump’s campaign was up to. To defuse criticism. This Biden thing grows out of that as well, as the various attacks haven’t stuck Trump moved on to collusion with Ukraine as the claim against Democrats.

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Time to flood Speaker Pelosi’s inbox (and physical mailbox, and her phone) with messages telling her time has come to get real and unambiguous about impeachment hearings. She’s said she is hesitant to proceed because she doesn’t think it has enough support among the people, so help convince her otherwise.

I just emailed her my support for formalizing and moving forward clearly with that, and if you feel the same, I urge you to contact her in whatever way you can. If you go the email route, make sure to use her contact page as Speaker of the House, unless you are actually in the district she represents, in which case you can use her contact page for constituents if you prefer.

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Why no impeachment? It seems the obvious course of action. I suppose the calculus of the Democrats is that it’s better to leave Trump in power as an example of how bad the Republicans are, rather than unseat him and replace Trump with any other moderately competent Republican. Hopefully the ‘adults in the room’ can convince Trump to spend more of his time golfing and less of his time destroying world affairs.

The Democratic calculus is “we don’t want to expend political capital to impeach Trump when the Republican-controlled Senate would be unlikely to remove him from power anyway.”

I still say that’s a cop-out. If a police officer sees someone actively committing a serious crime then they have a duty to arrest that person even if said criminal is so well-connected that they’d be likely to beat the charges in court.

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This just makes me laugh even harder.

So the spin on this by the far right pundits on the radio is: This is a Biden scandal. Biden forced out the Ukrainian AG who was investigating his son’s business deals, using aid money for leverage. That is what we should be talking about.

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Using the law as a sword and not a shield as it were.

Let’s be honest: In a perfect world, this takes out Trump AND Biden. Because that would be awesome.

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A shield for themselves and the other “good” people and a sword against the “bad” people. But not letting the law get in the way when “good” people need to “do what’s best”.

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