Underrated and overrated films (and other general filmy chat)

She was only fourteen when she did that, too.

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that’s interesting that you didn’t like “boyhood.” my wife and i both really loved that film but the “before” trilogy didn’t do anything for me at all. we both like “a scanner darkly,” apparently. i also loved “waking life” and i wonder how you feel about that one. before i saw the first “before” movie i had read how natural and beautiful the spontaneous relationship between celine and jesse was and how powerful yet fun the dialogue was but it never read that way to me. it may be that the intellectual and emotional baggage i was carrying with me at the time i saw the first one soured the experience, i’m not sure but i was never as impressed with it as my friends who recommended it to me thought i should be. perhaps i should see them again, and this time all at once.

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@anon61221983 @OtherMichael
Re: Stalker. And, obviously, this film is like a red rag to an angry bull with me, I cannot ignore it.
It really is, for me, the epitome of a film which evolves with each viewing. And not, I think, so much because I have changed but because in order to understand what Tarkovsky is attempting to transmit to you, one must really dig into his world-view concerning the connection between reality and mind.

I’ve come to think of the film as an attempt to provide an epistemic example of extra-dimensionality, and more specifically, how the contents of mind/reality might also be viewed from this orthogonal perspective as being part of other complex processes that resemble what we think of as mind or even reality.

The descriptive axiom he uses throughout the film is ‘vibration’ or perhaps I could be more specific and say the connection between neural oscillation and quantum theory.
The initial approach toward the room, when the Writer stalks off on his own really sets a good example of this and it shows why the original sound design for the film is so important. The perceptions of the group are composed of these oscillations and the alien-ness that still inhabits The Zone, that makes The Zone alive, is also using their patterns of mind to express itself. And that’s where I get this indication of orthogonality from. The Zone is making use of the group’s mind/reality-signal in order to express itself in linear temporality, which is broken or otherwise compromised and twisted up upon itself within The Zone. Perhaps that convolution of time is the complex structure, the ‘mind’ of The Zone.

It lies in wait, just ‘being’ like the little worm that crawls across the hand of the ecstatic Stalker when he first arrives, and becomes active (from a human perspective) when a quantum de-entanglement process expresses mind into it. But the alien-ness and more specifically Monkey’s (his daughter’s) ESP abilities seem to provide accentuations of Tarkovsky’s theory of mind.

There’s also his fascination with PSY to consider in what I think is his attempt to build a conceptual bridge to his more outlandish theory of mind and reality and attempts to describe it in these terms.

Maybe,

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A lot of these movies seem to be named after signals in a hypothetical computer transmission protocol, like SIP or TCP…
Contact
Arrival
Handshaking
Acknowledge
200 OK

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Boyhood? I just thought that the “filming over a long time” thing was a gimmick, and the film behind that didn’t do anything for me. I haven’t seen Waking Life.

I haven’t seen Before Midnight either, TBH - I may be biased towards the other two because I have a bit of a thing for Julie Delpy :wink: (I prefer the 2 Days in… films to the Before… ones)

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to me, what made it more than a gimmick was the way the actors kept the characters so consistent and yet created a sense of the natural evolution of people over time.

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Speaking of gimmicks, anybody see Locke? That’s the film that spends the entire time (after the opening credits anyway) in a car with a guy (Tom Hardy) traveling across Britain trying to resolve his problems (personal and professional) over his Bluetooth. I thought it was really well acted and directed, but the script let it down with some overly blatant symbolism. Still a very good film, but not the masterpiece that so many claimed it was.

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More than you ever wanted to know about pouring concrete.

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Yeah, except according to IMDB’s trivia section for the film, a lot of that stuff is wrong.

(On the other hand, they seem to let just about anything into the trivia section these days, so who knows? Doesn’t anybody curate that stuff?)

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Coming 2018 “The packet switcher”.

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I started with him in my late teens right when he started with Slacker and Dazed and Confused when they had their theatrical runs. I might have been 20 when D&C came out, but really just coming into my hard-partying years, so it really hit me at the right time. Anyway, I was always fully on-board for his stuff. I really loved Slacker. I like that the subject is a time and place – a scene–rather than about a main character or some kind of dramatic plot.

He did a film I found randomly on Netflix called Berine that I only pieced together was one of his when MacConneghy showed up and I was like “well, this is in Texas, I wonder if it’s Link?” and yep, it was. It was pretty good. I always forget he did School of Rock.

I need to see Everybody Wants Some, I’m pretty sure I’d dig it.

It’s weird, I spent the whole 90s deeply immersed in film, but I guess I’m burnt out? The '00s and '10s have belonged to the internet for me. I can use the internet to get all the movies immediately without leaving the house, but all I want to do is surf. No more books for me, either, which used to be a lifelong constant. Pretty sure there is an ugly psychological component to that : (

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Huh. When I saw this at Amazon I assumed it was a movie about Hardy starring an actor named Locke.

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Highly… *ahem, strongly recommend Waking Life. Just be sure to eat some San Pedro cactus or some harmaline before you watch it. Something that blurs the edges.

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Well it’s not like they can just look in the mirror.

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Aargh, Hulu just dropped the Criterion Collection, with no warning. Half my viewing queue just disappeared. (The reason is apparently that Criterion will be doing their own streaming, for only 50% more than what Hulu costs.)

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Rachel knows Deckard is a replicant.

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Seconded, but…

Be warned that there’s a snippet of Alex Jones (and one scene of sudden violence) in the middle of it. Adjust your dosage accordingly.

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That’s stupid.

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Hey, spoilers! :scream_cat:

 

 

 

 

No, wait, I’ve seen the movie a bajillion times. Never mind.

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OH! I guess so. Good point. However, they have phones which video…

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