Hm. Both you and @anon61221983 are among those who are keeping up a very high standard of conversation on the BBS, and it’s not often that I disagree with you guys getting angry.
However, in this case, I do disagree. The poster above you guys linked an article which is rather well balanced, and had a slightly unfortunately go at being funny about C-sections. But they didn’t go into derogatory territory, I think. Also, both poster and article don’t suggest that women are incubators, or are suggesting that C-sections are bad, or something is morally “wrong” with babies born from a cesarean.
I would ask you two kindly to re-read the Guardian piece, and don’t think to bad of poster, author, and people quoted. If you would like to get angry with me, too, afterwards, please do so and PM me if you want to explain why, and maybe read my own take on C-sections if you are interested.
My son was a lazy little bugger and arrived 2 weeks late, decision was made to perform a C-section for delivery - and as far as I can see he (at 21) is doing just fine indeed.
I also got to see what a placenta looks like while cradling him (for long enough for my arm to go numb) - all in all a fascinating experience.
Best laugh post delivery was a friend saying ‘oh, they had him out through the sunroof did they?’
Just… no. I have no beef with @anothernewbbaccount (or you, for that matter), I enjoy talking with them generally speaking. But I do object to the whole shaming of women who make choices (or are forced to make choices) by noting that they “hurt the baby.” I don’t believe that was their intent, but it very much came across as a “women should do childbirth the right way” kind of comment. I realize and understand they were not being malicious or hurtful, but I also know that the choices that women make regarding childbirth and childrearing are constantly being questioned, and many, many of us are found wanting. It’s exhausting.
Given how often c-sections have literally saved the lives of women, there is no reason to shame women for doing so. Full stop. Every birth is entirely unique, every family situation is unique. Trying to say there is some “right” way to go about the business of childbirth is just plain silly, if not downright offensive.
So, unless you’re a woman, I’m not really interested in your take on c-sections… even then, if it’s not “people need to make the most healthy choices that works for them”, I am not interested. I would be interested in your personal story, just not your take on what I or anyone else should do, because I’m sick of people telling me what I should do with my body.
If you are someone who will never have to pass another human being through through your own body, then your opinion on the process and the “right way” to endure/survive it is beyond moot.
Fun fact; if my own mom hadn’t had a c-section, I wouldn’t here be posting this comment now.
This is also reminiscent of the breast-feeding/bottle debate. Breast feeding does not work for all women. Women should not be shamed for doing what they need to to keep their kids and themselves healthy and alive.
I recently learned the word “yonic” and think any vagina museum should, IMHO, have a section on yonic architecture… too often sex positive museums cater to the male gaze, either directly through racy imagery, or just by focusing on the access to birth control aspects of feminism. (Fake allies love to only care about being able to screw without consequence and look at porn but freak out when talk gets real)
I’d love to see an exhibit that say, talks about how often phallic imagery is present in architecture even when it is not required for structural reasons.
But there’s no nudity and it’s not vaginal enough to giggle at so my dream will remain unfulfilled… I leave you with these photos I found DuckDuckGoing “yonic architecture”
Of course it isn’t a bad thing.
I wanted to say “I almost always agree with you two and thank you for your efforts in keeping up a great community, but in this case I seem to read the article posted very differently than you, and also don’t see bad faith in the posters intentions”.
I fully agree.
This might be a language thing, but I didn’t read it that way. Maybe the word “preferred” indicated, as you put it, a reproductive choice. I didn’t think of it that way and I do apologize if that came across like I had anything to say about other people’s choices.
Again, I fully agree.
The very idea that this is about the “right” or “wrong” way giving birth is totally alien to me.
I reiterate, I didn’t read that in the linked article or in the post.
I’m sorry if you have the impression I am telling you what to do with your body. I’m also confused about what caused this impression.
Maybe “my take” was poorly phrased.
This is derailed enough, so I will leave it at this, even if this feels really, really odd.
it would suck to work on the 4th floor of the far water side of this building.
with those curves and the arch, you’d have to walk to the var side of the first floor lobby, take an elevator to what looks like the 20th floor, walk across that, and take an elevator down 20 floors. uggghhh.
almost makes me want to pack some luggage. er um oh wait, i get it, those are pursies, lol
oh wait, i get it, those are pursies, lol 
