I see exactly one user trying to assert that they can distill the beliefs of every other user into one post of their own. To which I have only one response:
Ok, Commenter. Attention achieved!
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I don’t disagree. However I think the religious aspect of veganism is what is driving so many people to adopt the moniker plant-based for their diet. “Vegan” comes with a lot of baggage these days.
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There was a time when consuming the flesh of a beast was a treat, and not a way of life. As the world gets smaller, everything is subject to being blown way out of proportion it seems.
Hey, careful with them italics. You’ll put someone’s eye out.
If you think that my somewhat tongue-in-cheek post up there is ‘distilled beliefs’, you probably haven’t considered that no one is coming into this thread thinking,
“Hey, I’m wrong about food, the one shared thing that literally everyone has an opinion about. I’ll come into this BB thread and be educated about how wrong I am about the thing I interact with probably more than anything else other than air.”
Every post in here is people suggesting that others are wrong, by their very nature. “Vegans are a religion.” “Meat doesn’t contaminate cooking surfaces.” “Food allergies are/not the same as meat contamination.” “Your oatmeal has dicks in it” “My anecdote beats your anecdote”.
No one is arguing their point from, “I’m wrong. Tell me how wrong I am.”
My observations are just that. Observations, from my fallacy of authority of living with everyone on that list. Take em. Leave em. Agree, disagree. If you get a rash looking at them, then you may have a food allergy.
All that said, I think your points on where the meat free options are stored are very valid. I can also see why vegans might not want their “stuff” in a freezer full of horrors. (to them). I agree that BK beyond burgers are not for vegans, and that the notion that a vegan would go to BK is ridiculous. I also see why vegans would be pissy about BK advertising it as a vegan option (if that’s what they’re doing). I also agree that vegetarians are fence sitters and should be treated as the nazi sympathizers they are. Oh wait you didn’t say that. ha.
And a discussion wouldn’t be a discussion without some advocacy by the devil and some attention, so thank you for noticing me senpai.
I thought your point was that meat eaters don’t like the cognitive dissonance you assert they must suffer due to ‘eating murder’. I tell you I don’t have any cognitive dissonance to dislike because eating meat caused by what you call murder does not trouble me, and now that is what your point was all along? Whatever. @orenwolf has your number, I think. I won’t be feeding you any more meat to chew on.
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Should I not have laughed at the pithy joke?
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Do they? Has anyone measured precisely how tiny those amounts are? The grill chain returns over the cooking flames, and without the patty cooling it down, virtually all contaminants are altered by the heat. You might get trace amounts of an oily carbonized ash that once was beef transferred to the veggie burger, but probably not a lot more than you’d inhale from the cooking smoke itself. It’s probably not far from the level of allowable insect parts in the veggie burger, buns, or other vegan-approved food.
I have very low tolerance for forcing people into making allowances for what are essentially religious beliefs. If they’re going to win on this, the real outcome better be the establishment of a standard for cross contamination, such as 10 PPM or 50 mg/kg or whatever, and that demonstrates some harm when the level is exceeded.
If that’s unacceptable and they still want the vegan equivalent of a kosher kitchen, the vegans are free to hire their own vegan rabbinical inspectors, and licensing a trademarked symbol that only specially blessed vegan restaurants can display. They can then legally enforce their trademark; otherwise they should stay the f*ck out of the courts.
The key difference is that non-vegans should never have to put up with (or pay for) these kinds of made-up imaginary bullshit unwritten, unenforceable, not-legally-binding rules.
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Not that I’m saying anything that hasn’t already been stated to some extent or another, but:
- Vegans etc are not the target audience for this product. Doesn’t mean anyone who wants to shouldn’t be able to enjoy it though. That said, my understanding of at least a segment of the vegan culture is the desire to see fewer people eating meat on the whole. One possible outcome of this dumb lawsuit is that burger king will decide it is not worth the trouble to sell the impossible burger (They are not going to install a separate grill for one product). Making that alternative less available to people in general. (Another outcome is fine print on their menu stating that there may be contact with meat…)
- To concerns about consuming tiny amounts of meat: Are other foods deemed vegetarian or vegan completely isolated from meat containing foods in restaurants? No. (EG, fries & wings in the same fryer, veggie burger patty (or kabob?) & beef products on a grill / flat top.
- Food service industry is required to prevent contamination of food to the extent that harm to the consumer is averted, EG: contamination from un-cooked foods to cooked (bacterial contamination) & allergens (though this is usually just managed by stating that a given product was prepared in a facility that also processes X-allergy causing ingredient.
- This is stupid. That is my opinion.
Also, other chains carrying Impossible burger products (in some areas). Fat Burger, Red Robin, Claim Jumper, White castle, Qdoba, Hard Rock Cafe, Cheesecake Factory, Applebees, Little Caesars(!) - for anyone who cares!
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Can we stop for lunch somewhere?
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One of the reasons I went with Beyond is because they advertise it as pea based whereas Impossible is soy based. However if you read the label and go to the website for Beyond (which I did after my allergic reaction ) I was allergic to the mung bean component because it’s in the legume family. I’m allergic to peanuts too.
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Yeah, but we have to take some responsibility for constructing that particular barrel. If you went to a party and a loud indigenous vegan woman with a philosophy degree was going on sanctimoniously about food choices you might choose to think:
- Indigenous people are so sanctimonious
- Vegans are so sanctimonious
- Women are so sanctimonious
- People with philosophy degrees are so sanctimonious
And if you thought the first one we might tell you you are a racist piece of shit and if you thought the last one I might, as a person with a philosophy degree, say, “While your hypothesis is not fully supported by the facts here, I doubt I could formulate a convincing counterpoint.” And I’m sure we agree that we make a distinction between categorizing people based on traits they were born with vs. categorizing people based on voluntary choices (like eating habits or fields of study).
But however we rank all that, the other vegan in the room who is just as uncomfortable as you are with the spectacle might not love being put in the same barrel as the person annoying you and thus being spoiled.
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I know a good burger joint…
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That’s your personal opinion, fine. But that’s not an honest answer. And your reply to me amounts to an ad hominem attack on vegans. FWIW, I’m not even vegetarian let alone vegan, but the argument that vegans are somehow “disconnected from reason” is unwarranted and stereotyping.
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Every time I think this is not relevant anymore someone has to say something that jives with it juuuuust right: metalhead vegans - Imgur
There’s a song, too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi2DyXA0Rok
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And awful as this timeline is, I’m glad I don’t live in your utopia.
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As far as conscientious murder songs go, I prefer this one: FRAGILE ROCK "Socks Are Murder" at The Highball, Austin, Tx. October 28, 2016 - YouTube 
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