If we believed in zero tolerance, this would be true. However, some situations just don’t pass the smell test, and someone using human judgment can weed these out. There is a huge difference between asking honest questions, and badgering via “just asking” questions. “Just asking” is a kissing cousin to concern trolling.
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Right?
For fucks sake.
All this posturing and conjecture wouldn’t be so bad, if people were not continually dying in the meanwhile.
As it stands though, that’s exactly what’s happening; while many people who are the least affected by this atrocity want to act as if there’s no need for any urgency or alarm.
Which again, IMO, is a big sign that the covert systemic ploy to make the masses complacent and apathetic has worked all too well.
So many people don’t seem to care at all… until it actually happens to them or someone they love. Then it’s suddenly a problem.
Nailed it; I have a strong suspicion they have the same ‘baby daddy.’
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Phil Ochs, updated to reflect what’s changed since the 1960s. Spoiler alert, not fucking much [ETA some of the images might be triggering, BTW]:
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I know; and that’s what’s so disheartening.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Yeah, not like there is a long history of police violence aimed at black communities or anything, right?
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Yes, I agree 100%.
Do you think that is what is happening here?
Bluntly, you are accusing @Max_Blancke of actively supporting the murder of Terence Crutcher. You’re calling him a quisling and a police stooge. Is that really justified given Mr. Blancke’s actual postings here?
(I’m looking for a yes or no answer, not a disquisition on tactics other people have used in other forums or circumstances.)
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Here is Jack Palmer’s comments on why they did this song (and rewrote some of the lyrics to better reflect what’s going on now):
It’s short and has the youtube link, too.
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One that has its roots deeply entrenched in slavery and all the aftermath that followed…
ETA:
No, he’s really not; and frankly, it seems like you’re doing a little ‘white knighting’ right now.
No one stated nor implied the member in question is a ‘stooge’ of any sort; rather, it’s being pointed out that damn near every time this conversation comes back up, here he comes with the same exact weak justifications and deflections that do nothing to advance the conversation, let alone help resolve any of the very real problems facing people of color.
How long, exactly, are we supposed to ‘quietly wait’ for justice that never seems to come?
How many unarmed people have to die at the hands of so called peace-keepers before we can acknowledge that the system itself is broken?
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“You tell me I’m standing in a forest, but I don’t want to jump to conclusions until I’ve finished examining each and every tree with this scanning electron microscope.”
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Exactly. We don’t exist at points in time, disconnected to the past. We are extensions of the past, and the people who can move on without thinking about the past tend to be the most privileged in our world, I think.
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Good article, with some really poignant statements;
We explore the cosmos and crack the human genome, but still seem incapable of seeing and treating each other as the equally marvelous, flawed creatures we are.
We easily communicate with anyone anywhere in the world, but are too often incapable of truly understanding the person next to us.
Truer words.
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Alright then: No, I do not believe that Max actively supports the murder of Mr. Crutcher, nor do I believe that he is a quisling or a police stooge, nor do I believe such explicit accusations are justified given his actual postings here.
In more detail:
Those are not words that I have used, and this is a loaded question, similar to a “have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no answers only” setup, and I apologize, but, again, I refuse to fall into the rhetorical trap that you’ve tried to set.
Like Max’s own phrasings, I have been very careful in what I have written. I have been primarily pointing out context, implications, and general fallacious statements in what has been said and what hasn’t been said. I have not called nor accused him of being a quisling, which would imply that he is a collaborator with an enemy force occupying the country, nor have I called him a police stooge, which would mean that he was someone doing the police’s dirty work for them, so this is again the false dilemma fallacy (i.e. you have set up the question such that “he is a ‘police stooge and quisling’ or ‘he is utterly against police brutality’” as being the only two options, with no shades of gray or moderation).
The extent that I have accused him of anything is that I have stated that his questions and arguments are very similar to those typically voiced by Americans who have displayed a vested or emotional interest in maintaining the current sociological status quo in a manner that displays a callous disregard for people unlike themselves. I have not said anything in regards to Max himself–just on his arguments and statements.
That’s all I have to say. Would you like to ask another question? I promise that it won’t be seen as a form of dissent.
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There is a tiny ray of hope…
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There’s our 1 in 15,000 police conviction. Pay close attention kids, we likely won’t see another till Hail-Bopp swings around the sun again.
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Are volunteer deputies protected by police unions?
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An excellent, and very pertinent question.
I do not know.
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One bad apple spoils the barrel.
Or
#onebadapplespoilsthebarrel
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Something something Skittles.
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I think it’s reasonable to be cautious about giving people police powers.
I don’t think it’s reasonable to “be cautious” about allowing people to escape genocide. It’s likely to get people killed, and if you’re a cold-hearted strategist, it’s likely to get people who don’t like Isis/Isil/Daesh, and/or who have local knowledge that could help stop Isis/Isil/Daesh, killed.
And wasn’t Anne Frank stuck in the Netherlands because American immigration quotas didn’t allow her family to flee before the Nazis invaded?
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