This is a bad take.
There is no mention of Zach Snyder’s daughter’s death. There is no mention of Joss Whedon and his horrendous direction and on-set behaviour. There is no mention of the Snyder-cut, which is an actually watchable film compared to the Justice League that was delivered to theatres.
I’m not a huge fan of Snyder, but this mess isn’t only his fault, and I’d expect some acknowledgment of the tragic circumstances that led to the theatrical cut of Justice League being an absolute dumpster fire. Do better.
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The original theatrical cut of Justice League is hardly the only problem with the DCEU.
As noted throughout the thread this shared universe got off on the wrong foot with Man of Steel and has been staggering around like a drunk in a movie set plagued with insufficient lighting ever since.
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Here is the extent of my technical knowledge of the matter: something something Moore’s Law and AI, within ten years it’ll be cheaper and easier. I understand it’s hard and expensive to do CGI that resembles live action scenes, but there’s incredible incentive to figure it out, both in terms of $ and young people’s brains who were raised on MCU and such.
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Apparently the comic industry has been doing cross-overs so hard in recent years, it’s really impacted their sales - negatively, because readers got tired of that bullshit. (It’s so bad now that I think they’re setting up situations where there are half-a-dozen or more comic lines involved in “events” - story arcs spread across them all, but even if you read them all, you still don’t feel like you got the whole story because it’s such an incoherent narrative jumble.)
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So is DC/WB’s. So is every other major film studio. None of them are doing any of this for the benefit of the audience. That being said, if audiences don’t enjoy the films, they stop paying to see them, and then they stop getting made. Thus the subject of the post.
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I personally enjoyed seeing different takes on the same old story. It wasn’t at all what I had in mind as an OG DC comics fan, but I still enjoyed watching a serious take on the heroes I grew up reading in the comics.
With Superman, at first I thought it was a bit like huh? In MOS when he snapped Zoe’s neck. But that’s not the first time Superman killed Zod, so I’m not sure where that whole fuss from people came from. Furthermore, I kind of thought it was a perfect set up for why he DIDNT want to kill anyone moving forward. He didn’t want to in that instance to begin with, his hands were kind of forced by Zod. But it really helped to sort of develop a side of Superman where he really felt almost a PTSD sort of feeling from having to kill him.
Again, it’s different than the comics we grew up with, but sometimes it’s fun to see a different vision. Especially with the DC comics having a multiverse, this can just be from another universe.
On a different note, I think Superman & Lois is a Superman that’s back to a more old school version of the Superman personality.
So I say:
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse
I think Man of Steel needed an actual sequel. The movie ends with Clark putting on the glasses. The next step should have been a grounded story of a couple of reporters at the Daily Planet. Instead we got BvsS which was… bad…
Then Justice League was absolutely terrible.
My point is that saying WB shouldn’t have brought Snyder back is a valid thing to say; but in this article it comes across as mean because of the aforementioned tragedies that OP completely ignored.
It must be quite a burden, having to stop all these random strangers on the internet from unfairly hurting Zack Snyder’s feeling every day
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Personally I regretted the time I spent watching the first one and never had any desire to watch more of it.
If the first movie doesn’t stand on its own then maybe it shouldn’t be used as the cornerstone of a new cinematic universe.
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You mean the law that says “Comic book companies will always rip you off”?
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I agree with the jist of this article that the DCEU is a mess with Marvel envy, and Snyder is the worst of it’s many problems. But I also want to point out that the MCU, inexplicably seems to have developed DCEU envy. Where the old MCU spent years carefully cultivating cannon and interconnectivity, DC has been haphazardly producing redundant shows and movies with little concern about establishing any clear central cannon, and implying a multiverse as a thin justification for their many concurrent batman’s, flashes, jokers etc. Now Marvel is fixated on multiverse messyness so they can have cameos from the inferior Marvel movie universes that the MCU so clearly surpassed. Anytime a multiverse pops up somewhere now besides a Rick and Morty episode, I role my eyes and prepare for some hackery.
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Fair.
Agree with your points but worth noting that while those are Marvel characters, their films weren’t part of the MCU.
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Also Punisher and Deadpool were never conceived as all-ages-appropriate characters like the Justice League characters were, so having them kill people on screen isn’t quite as disturbing as letting Superman or Batman kill people on screen.
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Oh wait that’s Zach Weinersmith from SMBC! I didn’t realize he dabbled in video.
I’ll also agree that superhero movies are at their best when they don’t take themselves too seriously. I mean, look at Shazam! – that movie had absolutely no business being as good as it ended up being, and it was all because from the outset, someone said “ok, this superhero stuff is inherently ridiculous, so let’s just roll with it” rather than trying to be all grimdark with imaginary pajama wearing.
(The only grimdark superhero stuff that worked artistically IMHO was legitimately grim and dark, e.g. Kick-Ass 1/2 and Super and Peacemaker, etc. It’s difficult to argue that these are fun popcorn movies, more like dark comedies.)
I also agree with the generally negative reviews of Justice League, Batman vs. Superman… I guess I’m in the minority but for some reason only Man of Steel (2013) really worked for me, seeing how incredibly destructive a being with those kinds of powers could be was … eye opening. But, dark!
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The X-Men animated series was pretty damn good, IMHO. The Spidey/Hulk/Cap cartoons from my childhood were pretty cheesy, but I still rewatch the X-men now that it is easily available again.
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Forgot about that one; it was an exception.
So was the Spider Friends, back in the day…
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Yes, he went on to focus on the comics. Sadly not much video recently. SMBC Theater was a glorious thing though - people having fun making stuff.
I recommend “Dating Solutons” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJS76Bf-ZYo) and “Cosmotopian” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTQnUTgLssI), but perhaps more on topic is “Batman vs Reality” (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1-v9VFqztY)…
Have too agree with you on Shazam, that was a very fun film. Not sure I can do so for Man of Steel though…
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