Watch this hilarious dismantling of Jordan Peterson's philosophical woo

I definitely don’t disagree, but i don’t respond positively to implied demands.

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Oh, was I on this thing again?

My bad.

It’s hard not to rage against the system that has us all in thrall, whether all of us realize it, or not.

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Is someone who needs to grab their agency and walk away from Omelas.

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That reminded me to check up on the story Canadaland teased about a complaint filed against him with the College of Psychologists of Ontario:

Key graf:

Taken as a whole, the document suggests a portrait of Peterson as a professional struggling to manage competing interests — raising concerns about the quality of his care, his respect for patients’ boundaries, and his safeguarding of patients’ privacy — during a period when his life rapidly changed.

Looks like someone wasn’t following several of “his own” rules when fame hit.

Obligatory for any Peterson thread:

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‎Ursula K. Le Guin, ftw.

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See, now you’re just pitchin’ woo. :wink:

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All made of carbon at the end of the day, can’t forget our connections, all star dust

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Cautionary tales are ‘woo?’

Who knew?

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i would also like to step in and mention that over the past two or three weeks this site has been troubled by some fanboys of peterson who have been so unselfaware as to represent a defining moment in slapstick tragedy. i personally spent several hours over the course of three days discussing issues relating to peterson in a private thread while he would post masses of links and denunciations of others’ interpretations and reactions to things peterson has said or written and describe how he had destroyed/devastated/overwhelmed/beaten/exploded/buried the illogical slanders of those others. interspersed among his remarkable ranting we also saw numerous brand new members join so they could “defend” peterson with violent, threatening, insulting, and generally inappropriate language resulting in their being banned from the site for failure to adhere to the terms of use. while i believe most of your interlocutors appreciate your much more reasonable approach you’ll have to forgive us if we’re a little leery and a little punchy when it comes to dealing with people who are peterson positive.

edited for spelling

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Oh! No, not ‘woo’ as in ‘woo-woo,’ but ‘woo’ as in Okie From Muskogee. Or do I misunderstand? (Damnit, now my inner-voice surrealism is interfering with my thinks.)

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walks up to burned guy, checks pulse “he’s dead, Jim”
(Sorry, I couldn’t resist)
But yeah this is why I get mad when people use the word “Holocaust” to describe other things. It takes away from the actual event and the significance. Same thing when people use the term “Lynch mob” to describe other non-lynch mob related events

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Punching upward ain’t a foul… afflict the powerful, and empower the afflicted and all that.

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“Hawt as fuck” isn’t spelled C O R N Y.

Just sayin’… :wink:

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Well, obviously, that’s what I did with this particular video. As I explained, I’ve read and watched enormous sums of ‘criticisms’ of Peterson from all sorts of sources. I’m quite frankly getting tired of it. No, this is not the equivalent of being an anti-vaxxer or climate change denier. This is the equivalent of putting up with 4 hours of creationist nonsense and simply concluding “Nah, I’m not watching this half an hour creationist video that starts out with a total caricature of what evolution is.” That seems to be a more apt analogy to me.

Sure, some people might be more generous and have more patience than me to deal with this. That’s fine. I agree few people here are going to change their minds. There’s been a certain fellow here who, despite all evidence, continues fruitlessly claiming that Peterson is pandering to the alt-right or giving shoutouts to alt-right members/MRAs/incels. It’s obviously that this wouldn’t survive the tiniest scrutiny (and hasn’t).

Fellows like @anon75430791 keep promoting the claim that Peterson is just an “opportunist” because … he has a successful Patreon account. Oh yeah, ignore the fact that he’s given away almost all the research he’s done in his career for free, and the fact that he only set up his Patreon account after the government denied him a research grant for the first time in his career after he opposed Bill C-16. Yeah, ignore all that – he’s an opportunist. On a more serious note, all this roundabout isn’t going to change much. I seriously don’t want to engage in another full thread argument about Peterson. It’s obvious at this point that Peterson and his intellectual allies are still growing their audiences at vast speeds and that loss seems almost impossible at this point given the quality of the criticisms against him. I think letting the game play out is usually a pretty productive thing. I heard Peterson is soon going to release a talk of himself with Walter Scheidel. Can’t wait.

THIS.

We need so much to not fall into the “let’s compare us at our best, to them at their worst” rhetorical template if we want to be able to learn and grow compassionately.

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I will tear down over matters that truly are choice. If you¹ choose to act in ways that demean and injure your fellow human beings, if you choose to follow philosophies that insist that certain groups to which people do not get a choice in belonging in are lesser, if you choose to make things like poverty and health issues into moral failings, then damn right I want you out of the way.

If a Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Jeff Sessions, David Duke, or any of the Trump family (to name just a few, there are so, so many) needs to fall so that other people who care about more than just their own money and power to rise… I am good with that. No tears here. I never claimed to be a saint.

¹Generic, not specific “you”.

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Mmmhmmm mmmhmm mmmhmmmm.
And yet concepts such as “enforced monogamy” drip from his lips because a man drove a bus onto a side walk killing 10. Because saddling women to such men forever would solve all the worlds violence? Because vaginas are so magical (I mean I know mine is!)
As a woman, with a vagina and uterus and opinions, I will call em as I see em and “traditionalism” and “conservatism” has always meant subjugation for me and mine. And I call that evil.

Ugh, sorry @Melz2 - I’m terrible at taking my own advice.

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Well I think so… not that I would know about yours but in general they make me happy. Then again I don’t require access to one to live a fulfilling and frustration free life.

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MMmmmmm … I see that the enforced monogamy misrepresentation is being mentioned again somewhere … When will leftists accept that this is simply a decades old anthropological term that refers to norms that discourage polygamy rather than the redistribution of women, I do not know. Maybe they can search the term up in google scholar or something. This is what I mean when I talk about low quality criticisms of JP.

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In what concevable way does one discourage polygamy more than it already is discouraged? What mechanism, what means? This is already pretty strongly the norm.

So he’s advocating for the status quo (bold!) or he’s backpedaling because he got pushback

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