I’m not sure why figure skating was brought up–of all the olympic sports, it seems among the most subjective.
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I’m in no “insider” position to state factually, however much of the film is staged, carefully edited, and Mr Brainwash plays a role, a character. He never ever creates anything of his own, and through the actor, Banksy creates an insta-“sensation”. But still, if you pay attention. The actor is portrayed to never ever succeed in any art whatsoever. His video is edited by others, his stencil is done by another, his works are done by factory, he is without a shred of creativity. And yet famous. The doc is about that process and the public, not about Banksy or the “Mr Brainwash” character directly.
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Sure. Art is invention, but this was such a grinning winking ode to artifice. It’s as sincere as F for Fake.
I got most of that, but I guess I haven’t even looked into whether MBW was a willing or duped character.
Totally willing. Watch the doc again with consciousness of it being a prank on the moviegoing public, the carefully cultivated reaction shots of people at his shows don’t hurt either. This is a documentary of the phenomena and marketing of art, and the general obliviousness of most watchers to the unreliable narrators involved is a testament to its success.
Well played I say. Plus I may have had a series of GNT’s that night.
He piled upon the whale’s white hump the sum of all the general rage and hate felt by his whole race from Adam down; and then, as if his chest had been a mortar, he burst his hot heart’s shell upon it.
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I realize I must have said something wrong. That’s the only reason I can think of for feeling like I’m being attacked now by someone really angry with me.
I don’t know if it’s that I can’t follow every single nuance of the discussion, or if you are someone who searches for the thing to hang a man by in 3 sentences of his words type.
Whatever I did to piss you off so much, I’m honestly sorry. But I’m not going to feed you. If this is some sort of war of opinions to you, I bow out. Feel safe in your opinion. You win. If that’s what you want to hear, there you go.
For your examples, I don’t have any issue with them. If you care about separating works depicting the act of pissing from using piss as so much a big deal, then sorry I missed that. Things like Piss Christ, and the canning of human feces, using things like that as a medium upset me more than the depiction of their creation, but I find a pissing cherub to be funny. It doesn’t offend me. It’s art. Piss Christ just disgusts me. I don’t like it, I find it revulsive. It’s art too.
I’m not here to tell anyone what they should and should not like. My comments were just that- my view. How I see things. I am not trying to force my view on others, just publishing how I feel. Seeing how people feel about my view, and if anyone feels similarly. Trying to explain why I feel the way I do. That’s all.
If you find my views hateful somehow, I hope you can see I’m not trying to attack anyone with my replys. I’m not trying to create strawmen arguments. I’m not trying to bash anyone. If I have done either, it was not intentional. I’m trying to explain as civilly as I can why I feel the way I do, without attacking people.
I didn’t try to be uncivil to anyone. But I feel treated that way now. It’s very difficult, honestly, for me to discuss something this detailed through tracking posts to an online forum. So I won’t bother anymore. I can see my opinion doesn’t seem to matter here to anyone anyway.
So I bow out.
Yeah, what a bunch of tripe this video is.
“Modern” artists like this one, influenced design. Products, and homes started using color differently and creating the minimalist aesthetic that we all consider modern 65 years later. Sure maybe its just a couple colors on canvass, but its also the face that launched a thousand ships. While more classical art was really just about things rich people hung on walls.
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Not my point, that’s addressed below.
Please note that the legitimacy that’s being preserved is of those people who trade in shit as art:
You can complain all you want about canned goods, but does it occur to you to complain about the collector who paid money for it? Or the gallery that allowed this to be put on display?
Isn’t the perceived legitimacy of the can coming from the fact that its already been promoted and bought as art? That the gatekeepers of the art world did not laugh in the artists face?
Do you lament that an artist made this artwork, or that he got, not fake legitimacy since you don’t recognize his work as art, but real money, from the same people that would pay millions for a Monet?
Now, I think I understand where you’re coming from, but you’ve not actually taken a position other than saying that you dislike that some things you don’t like are popular. If you have a more nuanced point to make, then please, make it.
I dabble in music, which means that my views on art are informed by my experiences and understanding in that field, and I think I can draw parallels between this discussion and the disdain with which some people view pop music, they may go so far as saying its not “real” music.
Both camps of detractors dislike what’s popular not because they genuinely dislike it but because of the way they perceive it affects what they do like. Its not a functional dislike, it is a post hoc rationalization meant to prop up a perceived identity, otherwise, why would they care if somebody else likes something they don’t unless they view it as a personal threat?
See, if you take some peaches and can them, then display them in an art gallery and sell them for 1.99 USD, its clear that there is an artistic intention behind what you’re doing, merely because you’ve gone and displayed them where people go to see art.
That people will read into that intention a million different things is then inevitable.
The only people who will want to ask if it is really art are going to be those that already believe it isn’t art and they’d do better to make persuasive arguments to their point than be wishy washy about it.
In this case, Robert Florczack has made his attempt. I don’t buy it. You should probably not try to expand the conversation if your starting point is a failed critique. Might as well make your own argument and we’ll take it from there.
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