Hold old is that man, because he is still gorgeous!
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Ooooooh!
Can I use them all at once?
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Maybe a different one each day?
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I am a firm believer in all lives mattering and think no such romantic bullshit about the civil war. Then again I have been behind the eightball due to disability keeping me from driving in a country that DEMANDS you drive, so should i go on about Disabled Lives mattering?
No. All Lives Matter. The Disabled. The Minority. THe Ethnic. THe White. Everyone.
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Yes, I think you should. I think everyone should.
Please donât misunderstand. No one is saying that not all lives matter.
The problem addressed in the OP and throughout much of this thread is the assertion, when people (most of whom are black) say âBlack lives matterâ in the context of a growing national movement, that all lives matter.
When people are advocating for better treatment of disabled people, and they say something akin to âDisabled lives matter!,â wouldnât it be equally inappropriate for others to barge in and say, âWhat do you mean? Donât you know that ALL lives matter?!â
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I donât know, I already have so many white people that are obsessed with my alleged horrible problems that they have been following me around for years.
If anyone else wants to take a turn, they have to go to the - oh shit.
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Nothing is explained. A strawman is built, and then painted broadly onto anyone who uses a set of words for no logical reason whatsoever. You might as well say âbecause hashtags work in mysterious waysâ and call that âexplained.â
YOu are aware that Native Americans were kicked out of their lands and sent on an arduous and often lethal march to the least desirable plot of land in the country, amirite?
We donât have a #nativelivesmatter movement though. Because they STILL donât get the attention they deserve.
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Agreed.
Hell. We were taught in state history how the cherokee went and battled for their land rights up to and including the supreme court and winning⌠and then Andrew Jackson going âwell, try enforcing itâ and marching the lot of them off to Oklahoma basically with the intent of killing them off through forced relocation.
That is correct. No one was treated worse than the Native Americans were. I think everyone here is wrong for arguing. I would just love for everyone to be treated fairly. Itâs not a pipe dream. We can do it.
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Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away
its vital unity. Hate destroys a manâs sense of values and his
objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the
ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false
with the true. - Martin Luther King, Jr.
The objection to using âAll Lives Matterâ as a replacement for âBlack Lives Matterâ has been thoroughly explained several times and in several ways throughout the original article, the summary, and the 200+ comments above.
If you choose to ignore or disregard those explanations then thatâs on you.
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What is really endearing about some of these failed counter-arguments is the mechanisms used. Especially among the younger or stupider.
For instance, appropriating MLK. Oh yeah, like thatâs new, MLK stood for equality so singling out black people for anything is obviously disputable by quoting MLKâŚ
No oneâs ever thought of that, no one even noticed when President -fucking- Reagan appropriated MLKâs words to state that equality had in his presidency been achieved in the USA, so he could scrap many federal programs purposed in MLKâs time to work towards that goal.
You remember the 80âs? When the USA achieved equality?
Thatâs probably the best example. But itâs still nice to see it among sea-lions that answer their own posts.
Itâs hard to determine whether false equivalencies in racial politics is a better hill to die on than ethics in games journalism, but the same tools are found on both hills.
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To summarize:
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Saying âall lives matterâ without any other context, out of the blue, apropos of nothing, is perfectly fine. Well, all human lives, anyway. Sort of. Itâs complicated.
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Saying âall lives matterâ in response to someone saying âblack lives matterâ is almost indisputably a dick move, as explained in detail in the source article (if you bothered to read it) and as explained at great length in the above posts (if you bothered to read those).
To be fair, this nuance is properly covered in the title: instead of.
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If you feel the disabled are an under served group, then yes. Make it your battle cry.
âBlack Lives Matterâ is trying to focus on the treatment of black people by the justice and government systems. By trying to change the slogan to âAll Lives Matterâ it changes the focus of the argument, and allows the people in power to avoid addressing the problem at hand: more black people are dying at the hands of police officers who act outside of SOP, and the deceased (and their supporters) are under constant threat of character assassination, and harassment by police forces for speaking the truth. Anyone who tells you differently is delusional or lying.
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OK After actually watching the âall lives matterâ camp⌠jeeze. what racist assholes.
Sorry guys.
Edit: I mean to me everyone matters, but the whole movement thing. eesh⌠I kinda feel bad now.
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We are all crushed by the boot heel called Friends. Some are crushed with weary smiles. Eat at Arbys.
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Where did you watch them? I have only heard about them here.
Family discussion.
Yes. Absolutely.
From the BlackLivesMatter About Page:
When we say Black Lives Matter, we are broadening the conversation around state violence to include all of the ways in which Black people are intentionally left powerless at the hands of the state. We are talking about the ways in which Black lives are deprived of our basic human rights and dignity. How Black poverty and genocide is state violence. How 2.8 million Black people are locked in cages in this country is state violence. How Black women bearing the burden of a relentless assault on our children and our families is state violence. How Black queer and trans folks bear a unique burden from a hetero-patriarchal society that disposes of us like garbage and simultaneously fetishizes us and profits off of us, and that is state violence. How 500,000 Black people in the US are undocumented immigrants and relegated to the shadows. How Black girls are used as negotiating chips during times of conflict and war. How Black folks living with disabilities and different abilities bear the burden of state sponsored Darwinian experiments that attempt to squeeze us into boxes of normality defined by white supremacy, and that is state violence.
You donât have to be black to support justice for black people with disabilities. You donât have to be black to benefit from a society that better accommodates and includes black people with disabilities.
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