Why (or why not) to vote for Hillary Clinton

Can you blame her? She’s seen how shitty it can be up close by being married to a high profile politician. She also probably recognizes the very real limitations one is under by being part of the political process. Truth and morality all too often go out window for the sake of expediency.

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Yea, the president has been stating quite often, that Michelle is ready to enjoy private life away from the exhaustive exactness and rigors, as first family in the White House. Maybe after a six or seven year break, Michelle "The Closer " Obama, may reconsider.

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Can you blame her? She’s seen how shitty it can be up close by being married to a high profile politician. [/quote]
Been there, done that…says Hillary Clinton.

Plus she’d be excoriated by the base for assaying a realistic approach because of those limitations.

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Sure, but you can see why not everyone would want to deal with that.

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Absolutely. In Hillary’s case she had political ambitions before she met Bill, so all those years of vicious bile first from her enemies and then from her friends was good training for her future plans, so didn’t put her off. In Michelle’s case I don’t think she ever had such ambitions, so her experiences as first lady - as mild as the attacks on her and her husband were in comparison to the attacks on the Clintons - had no positive side effects.

Hillary don’t take the bait! :scream:

Donald Trump in an obvious staged incident (in my opinion); attempts to validate himself as a victim of the media and Clinton campaign. Trump last night attempted to mitigate, excuse and inoculate himself from the ongoing public and voter dissatisfaction over his numerous incidents of inappropriate sexual comments, kissing, groping, inappropriate sexual contact and unwanted sexual advances–against “Grown Women.”

The little girl turns her head, because even as a child, she instinctively senses it is inappropriate --for a unknown and unrelated grown man to kiss her on the lips.

Full video of Donald Trump kissing female and male children on stage last night.

Probably best for the Clinton campaign, her surrogates and supporters to let this play out on its own, take a pass on this, and not take the bait.

Great News!

Hillary Clinton has become the beneficiary of one of the most important political endorsements a presidential candidate can receive. A overwhelming majority of 150,000 school age children :two_women_holding_hands::two_men_holding_hands::couple::dancers: want Hillary! :scream: as president.

Great job by Hillary Clinton last night. Hillary looked splendid and presidential in what is rapidly becoming her signature closing outfit–one of her all white/cream colored pants suit outfits.

To describe Hillary’s fashion selection last night, let me use a slang phrase from the African-American community in the 1970’s–“Hillary was Clean.”

Hey!–Janet Jackson is wearing a nice all black pants suit outfit, in one of her signature song videos.

Clinton-Kaine in 2016 :scream:

Great time to be a sports fan here in Cleveland, Ohio. The reigning NBA World Champion, Cleveland Cavaliers open their 2016-17 NBA season on Tuesday night at Quicken Loans Arena; where they will receive their 2015-16 NBA World Championship rings. Right next door at Progressive Field, the American League Champion, Cleveland Indians–host game 1 of the 2016 Major League Baseball World Series.

Ohio is up for grabs, and to close to call at this point in the 2016 presidential election. There are a lot of passionate die hard Cleveland Indian fans in Cleveland, Ohio, Cuyahoga County and Northeast Ohio–die hard fans who vote!!:scream:

The Chicago Cubs last won the World Series in 1908. The Cleveland Indians last won the World Series in 1948. This will be an emotionally contested World Series, between the two longest suffering Major League Baseball franchises. The fans on both sides will be enthusiastic and fanatical. TIcket prices are through the roof.

The average asking price for the four games scheduled for Cleveland, including the series opener on Tuesday night, is about $3,900, according to ticket tracker TicketIQ. A ticket for a deciding Game 7, which would be played Nov. 2, could cost $5,000.

But even that’s a bargain compared with what it’ll cost to get into Games 3, 4 and 5 at Wrigley Field in Chicago, where the average asking price is about $7,200 a seat.
The prices dwarf recent World Series games. Tickets for the three games in New York last year to see the Mets play the Kansas City Royals only cost an average of $1,600

Illinois’s electoral votes in this 2016 presidential election, are in the safe column for Hillary Clinton. Every vote will count in the battle for Ohio’s electoral votes in this 2016 presidential election. I just wonder who thought it was a good idea to send out the following photo/news release.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/302369-clinton-reacts-to-the-chicago-cubs-clinching-world-series

this isn’t really a why or why not vote Clinton post - I just need somewhere to dump my bile.

I’ve been arguing with someone on facebook - I don’t even know the dude. But a guy I used to know liked one of his posts, and I commented on that post (saying maybe he should take a deep breath and read something that’s not Infowars for a while), and now we’re in a major back & forth that has included, I shit you not, Benghazi.

I know everyone lives in a little bit of a bubble of confirmation bias, but how can someone still be hung up on the administration’s handling of Benghazi? If 7 investigations didn’t find evidence of wrongdoing, then maybe, just maybe - stay with me here - there’s nothing to find. That it’s all just standard issue human imperfection that looks bad in hindsight

I have to take a break from facebook I think. this whole thing is just kind of infuriating. Also pretty condescending / patronizing

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Reason number 1,455 I don’t have a facebook account.

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I know everyone lives in a little bit of a bubble of confirmation bias, but how can someone still be hung up on the administration’s handling of Benghazi?

The trouble with Hillary from the Right vantage is she’s a Hawk. She’s happy to send cruise missiles like FTD sends bouquets. Extrajudicial killings (murders) became workday boring in the Obama administration, and god knows she keeps the name Osama bin Laden warm herself.

So, they can’t paint her as a dove. Their only tactic is to make her inept. “Waving the bloody shirt” is a time honored practice in politics, so they are flogging Benghazi to tatters, while at the same time trying to provoke doubt as to whether her deep ties to the Middle East hamper her ability to judge threats. Thus the “radical islamic terrorism” baiting, the way Trump is dismissing current efforts, etc.

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If they wanted to paint her as inept, I’d be fine with that. The lack of security in Benghazi is the kind of thing that you can point to in the aftermath, and clearly say that, yep, that was a fuck-up.

This on the other hand. . .

You're voting for an unprincipled individual, completed lacking of the moral foundation one needs to make the proper decisions in life. You're voting for a woman who left our people in Benghazi to fight for themselves for 26 hours and would not send help.
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I think people just grab hold of metaphors they keep in their heads all the time; concepts they can understand and enunciate to their peers based on the values of their social circle. The whole oorah, honor, never leave a man behind stuff… that’s a tool in their toolbox that will never wear out.

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For example,

Hillary is happy to send cruise missiles like FTD sends bouquets.

The left’s stories about Clinton are almost as fanciful as those on the right, and the more vehemently and insistently they are repeated the more the attackers from the left look just like their right-wingnutty counterparts.

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Facebook is pretty good for keeping tabs on who my most racist relatives are. It’s also good for seeing what the rank and file of the GOP really think rather than the propaganda, though alas, the rank and file mostly just repeat the propaganda which is usually some crudely photoshopped image overlaid with words. I still see the Benghazi tropes flying around too, and they’re reviving the Clinton Body Count/Vince Foster propaganda a bit, I guess for the Clinton-hating nostalgia. The key with those people on FB is to not engage, no matter how simple it might seem to correct them on basic questions of facts. There’s no winning in that war. Engaging Trump fans on Facebook (or Twitter) is like a nuclear strike, you both just lose.

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Obama’s Embrace of Drone Strikes Will Be a Lasting Legacy

This is one of those times that I really can just smile in response. This is so widely known, so widely criticized and so universally condemned one would need to either agree with the practice, or be purposefully blinding themselves to the wrong.

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Funniest-looking photo of Hillary Clinton I’ve seen in a while.

ETA: I also don’t get this:

Since I obviously don’t travel in the same information circles as you do, can you clue me in?

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That is really odd. The link goes to a WaPo article that doesn’t name Donald Parkinson, and googling returns nothing. Maybe they flubbed the name, but there’s no ‘Donald’ in the article. A casual googling doesn’t use the name in any relevant way.

Separately, in my opinion, none of the linked articles substantiate the claim that “Hillary is happy to send cruise missiles like FTD sends bouquets,” though that’s a topic I really am not going to engage in beyond that.

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I really can just smile in response to your casual dismissal of what Hillary did to Parkinson, as well-documented in that article. A monster, she is.

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