Why (or why not) to vote for Hillary Clinton

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No idea on that name, perhaps an autocorrect error.

As for her part in it… seriously? Secretary of State? State Department?

During Clinton’s tenure between January 2009 and February 2013, the CIA conducted 294 drone strikes that killed 2,192 people, 226 of whom were civilians. (For the data see here, which is based on averages within the ranges provided by the New America Foundation, Long Wars Journal, and The Bureau of Investigative Journalism.) In other words, of the 294 CIA drone strikes in Pakistan, Clinton’s State Department objected to fewer than one-percent of them.

What Clinton’s E-mails Reveal About Her Support for CIA Drone Strikes

FBI criminal investigation emails: Clinton approved CIA drone assassinations with her cellphone

Jimmy Carter is also not a fan of this administration’s policies..

Killing people without due process and no oversight, no checks and balances, in other nations with whom we are not at war, with full knowledge we are killing families and bystanders at the same time. That’s murder. I cannot in good conscience vote for people who think this way.

I can’t reason out what wasn’t reasoned in, so I will hush now, and not repeat previous excesses in back and forth.

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Then don’t vote for Obama next month.

CIA does not report to State. When Clinton was head of the State Dept she did cut a nominal deal in 2011 with the CIA giving State some say in the program. Perhaps it had an effect, drone strikes in Pakistan dropping 40% from 2010 to 2011 and another 30% to 2012. Or perhaps not. We don’t know.

Oh, and Carter, whom you disingenuously cite, has very strongly and unambiguously endorsed Clinton, so either he disagrees with you on the drone program or he disagrees with you on where to lay blame. Maybe he thinks it is Donald Parkinson’s fault.

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Why (** *** ***) to vote for Hillary Clinton

I was beginning to wonder if it was coming. So happy to hear that Colin Powell has not only endorsed Hillary Clinton, but will be voting for her.

This in my opinion is one of the biggest and most influential endorsements Hillary Clinton could receive. Colin Powell’s endorsement of then Senator Barack Obama was influential and instrumental in helping get him elected as the 44th President of the United States.

No Hillary Clinton supporter should become overconfident looking at polls. Hillary supporters need to ignore the polls, because this election is not secured–Donald Trump can still win. :scream: At this point in the 2016 presidential election, it is about getting out the vote.

Hopefully the endorsement by Colin Powell, like it did for then Senator Barack Obama–will help convince voters to elect Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton as the 45th President of the United States.

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/25/secretary-state-colin-powell-endorses-hillary-clinton-president.html

…Powell, who made the announcement at an event hosted by a Long Island business group in Woodbury, New York, said Republican Donald Trump was “not qualified” and had sold Americans a “bill of goods” that he could not deliver, Newsday said.

“He has insulted America in one way almost every day,” Powell said of Trump, according to the newspaper.

“He has insulted Latino Americans. He has insulted African-Americans. He has insulted women. He has insulted his own party. He has insulted our allies around the world one by one. He has insulted veterans,” Powell said.

He praised Clinton and said he considered the Democratic nominee a “friend” whom he had known for 20 years.

“She is smart. She is capable. She was a good secretary of state,” Powell said, according to Newsday.

“She is balanced, she has temperament and no matter what anyone says she has stamina … I think she is fully qualified to serve as the president of the United States and will serve it with distinction,” Powell was quoted as saying by Newsday…

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…DURING BUSH ADMINISTRATION
13 Embassy attacks
66 deaths
3 American diplomats killed
22 Embassy employees killed
Number of investigations 0

DURING REAGAN ADMINISTRATION
10 Embassy attacks
318 deaths
1 US ambassador killed
18 CiA officers
254 Marines
Number of investigations 1

DURING CURRENT ADMINISTRATION
2 Embassy attacks
4 American deaths
Number of Investigations 13

Cost to taxpayers for partisan witch hunt 14 million. This is what Republicans think is more important than serving the American people…

…In the end, it seems to be the Beirut embassy incident that’s most fittingly compared to Benghazi. At 17, the number of U.S. citizens killed in that single Beirut attack is greater than that of all the embassy attacks occurring during the Bush and Obama administrations combined. But though it was similarly criticized and investigated — and for similar reasons — its aftermath lacked the partisan zeal brought to bear on Benghazi.

Then there is this sequence of events that should have received, but did not receive anywhere near the disingenuous, feigned, partisan and politically motivated attacks republicans have leveled against Hillary Clinton and President Obama over Benghazi.

As mentioned above on April 18, 1983–the U.S. Embassy bombing occurred during the presidential administration of Ronald Reagan. Then approximately seven months later, on October 23, 1983 the following event occurred under the presidential administration of Ronald Reagan–that’s Ronald Reagan the often heralded, sourced and over-hyped hero of the Republican Party.

220 U.S. Marines killed–including other personal American and foreign–over 300 people killed in total.

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2015/06/01/worse-than-benghazi-reagan-ordered-220-marines-to-beirut-where-they-were-slaugthered-by-terrorists/

Worse Than Benghazi: After Reagan Ignored Warnings, 220 Marines Were Killed by a Terrorist in Beirut

But Democrats led By Speaker Tip O’Neill blamed the terrorists, not the president, for the murders

1983 Beirut barracks bombings - Wikipedia?

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Why (** *** ***) to vote for Hillary Clinton

Because Hillary Clinton understands the reason why the economic policies of former President Bill Clinton and President Obama were and currently are successful.

Hillary Clinton will continue and improve upon the successful economic policies of presidents Bill Clinton and President Obama.

With all the current political noise, some may have missed the following good news regarding the current economy:

The nation’s gross domestic product, the value of all goods and services produced in the economy, increased at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 2.9%, the Commerce Department said Friday, the biggest gain in two years. Economists surveyed by Bloomberg had forecast 2.6% growth.

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You’re a dedicated soldier khepra. I honestly don’t think many in the Member to Regular crowd will be voting for anyone other than Clinton, but you’re still banging that drum for the randos that wander in here. More power to you.

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With the polls tightening, Hillary Clinton will need every vote she can get. The following is a interesting and unexpected early development. I sure hope it is prescient, representative and accurate.

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Well, under pressure of my mother, I voted Hillary; along with every single Green party candidates I could find, because to hell with neoliberalism.

It sad that not a single Socialist is on said ballot (though this is Texas, so it’s very understandable that they’re excluded).

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Congrats @khepra - I early voted and voted for Hillary Clinton. You can now close this thread. Mission Accomplished.

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Great news, hopefully the majority of Americans and specifically the majority of the electoral college, will emulate your vote for Hillary.

However, until the last vote is cast, nothing is accomplished. This 2016 presidential contest can go either way. There is no time for complacency, overconfidence and assumption.

Every vote counts.

Vote Hillary-Kaine in 2016 :scream:
Vote for democrats up and down the ticket in 2016.:scream:

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Your mother :older_woman: personifies the phrase “Mothers Know Best”

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Yet another example of a republican actually following through on their pledge to vote for Hillary Clinton.

If Hillary wins, republicans voting for Hillary Clinton, may be one of the most important, uncounted for and unexpected demographics that allowed her to be elected president.

“To vote for Trump as a protest against Clinton’s faults would be like amputating a leg because of a sliver in the toe; cutting one’s throat to lower one’s blood pressure,” he wrote.

David Frum has his reasoning for voting for Hillary Clinton, more importantly Hillary Clinton has one more vote she desperately needs, to become the 45th President of the United States.

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Also, @nemomen… I’m waiting until election day to vote… I still don’t know what I’m going to do… I probably won’t know until I’m there with the thing in front of me.

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Your call obviously. With the state of polling and level of voter suppression happening there’s enough of a chance the least qualified, most corrupt, and generally odious candidate I’ve ever seen could win that I figured I’d be happier remembering I’d done everything in my power to prevent it, even if it only meant adding one tiny tick to the popular vote count, since if that creep gets into power and manages to get any of his project of mass-scale systematic racist persecution executed it’ll be a return to the bad old days many sacrificed a lot to work to end and I’d want to know I wasn’t doing anything at all to contribute to the undoing of their work.

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Yeah. I’m aware. Here, the state is a razor thin margin (according to the polls).

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Well there’s your answer, then.

You do not want to be one of those Brexit supporters on the day after.

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In this uncertain and unpredictable 2016 presidential election, Hillary Clinton needs every vote she can get on November 8, 2016. So the following is geat news about one of President Obama’s (often not reported), Obama Coalition demographic groups.

The Jewish vote helped to elect President Obama in 2008 and 2012. The Jewish vote may only be 2% of the voting electorate in America, but in states like Florida and Ohio, the Jewish vote can make a difference in who wins Florida and Ohio.

Cuyahoga County in northern Ohio, (a democratic stronghold area), has a substantial Jewish population in suburban cities like Beachwood, Gates Mills, Twinsburg, Aurora and Cleveland Heights.

https://gma.yahoo.com/clinton-rebounds-enthusiasm-trump-slips-still-tight-race-223156319--abc-news-topstories.html

Another is Jews, just 2 percent of likely voters. They favor Clinton by 73-18 percent, a wider gap for the Democrat than in 2012 (69-30 percent) but about the same as in 2008. That’s fairly similar to results among non-religious voters, 63-25 percent, with evangelical white Protestants across the spectrum, 16-78 percent, Clinton-Trump.

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Same. In your case, I would probably vote Clinton because the margin is so close and your vote actually matters. I’m undecided myself, but not undecided to the point where I think both major party candidates are equal. If there are two real outcomes to this election, and one is significantly better than the other, and your vote matters, then the choice is clear.

Beyond “vote Clinton or else”, here are my reasons why our why not to vote for Hillary Clinton:

  • Why not: It sets a dangerous precedent.
  • Why: Even if Clinton is not progressive, her presidency will allow progressives to get things done, especially once new supreme court justices are appointed.
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Why (** *** ***) to vote for Hillary Clinton…

…according to LeBron James at today’s get out the vote rally–in downtown Cleveland, Ohio.

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A few last-minute endorsements:

Dante Shepherd:

If you are not personally affected by any of the racism, the sexism, the bigotry, the hatred that has been pushed by one side, and thus don’t feel that not voting will affect you, consider that other people certainly are and maybe you should consider them for a second. So if you do not vote, do not tell me that you are a straight ally. If you do not vote, do not tell me that you are supportive of women’s rights. If you do not vote, do not tell me that you are supportive of racial equality. By not voting, you are openly accepting that whatever outcome happens will be something you are willing to live with and accept - you certainly didn’t think it was worth speaking up about it - and thus, gay rights and women’s rights and African American rights and Hispanic rights are so unimportant to you that you can accept whichever direction they head based on the electoral outcome.

Randall Munroe:

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Phil Plait:

I am voting for Hillary Clinton, and will also be voting the straight Democratic ticket in my home state of Colorado. I urge you to do the same in your own home state.

The reasons for this are legion, and I’ll give you some details below. But in the end, Hillary Clinton has devoted her life to making things better for other people, has been a faithful and determined public servant, and a large number of her policies overlap with my own.* She is eminently qualified and will make a fine president. Donald Trump, on the other hand, is a dangerous ideologue whose fringe ideas are un-American and filled with hate. I cannot abide that.

ETA: Jeph Jacques:

It’s election day tomorrow in the USA and we have a choice between electing the first female president or a racist, sexist sociopath. We have a chance to show the world that we are better than our worst impulses by rejecting Donald Trump and everything he stands for. It is my hope that we can all come together and do the right thing.

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