Consistency is the hobgoblin… yada, yada.
I find it is easier to ignore those who don’t bring that much to the table.
Picasso was an asshole, so is Mel Gibson. Fuck Mel Gibson.
This approach is for personal use only. As far as firing, exclusion from associations, legal action. I feel that these things should be applied when indicated.
I do recognize the flaws in this reasoning.
Try the new Star Trek series. You get to spend half the time reading subtitles because CBS spent all their good will suing the excellent Prelude to Axanar fan film into the ground and by dog they’re going to use what they bought! /s
Not sure i’m sold on Discovery, especially if its going to require me to subscribe to CBS’ service. I don’t watch CBS to begin with, so why the hell would i want to pay them for the privilege of watching a new show i’m unsure of?
And yeah, them suing fans despite intervention from J.J Abrams and a few others really soured me on Star Trek.
The trailer for that film made me cringe even before Mel showed up in it.
Yeah, can’t think of a single reason to see a film with Mel in it.
The pilot was terrible. It shows some signs of improving, but the best things I can say about it are the technical achievements like effects and music. That’s not enough to justify it. I might give it a few more episodes, but I don’t see it holding my interest. Trek has been willing to embrace dark story lines ever since Gene Roddenberry died, which is fine, but there was always an underlying sense of cooperation and hope. So far Discovery seems to be back-stabbing dystopianism. It’s one thing for shows to reflect the mood of the times, but quite another to totally change the underlying message of a franchise. I wouldn’t care if CBS and Paramount hadn’t gone to war with the fans. Much of the fan made Trek is far better than Discovery.
Are they speaking Mayan? I couldn’t make out the language, it wasn’t one I recognize (like Klingon). I thought maybe it was Flemish, but slowed way down, like a 78rpm record played at 33 1/3.
Why did we morn Michael Jackson’s passing, vs thanking goodness that train wreck was over? Why is Bowie elevated to near godlike status, yet was a complicated person who was at best guilty of statutory rape? How did people like Pee-Wee Herman survive and make a come back despite his personal failings? How do people like Chappelle still have some respect for people like Bill Cosby’s work, even though by all accounts his image was a lie and he is a horrible person?
I could go on. There are a lot of horrible people doing horrible things but making decent art (granted, I haven’t enjoyed anything Gibson has done for years, but the point stands.) Society is willing to forgive to a point or even condemn the person but still accept the art. That’s why I try to separate the art from the artist. It’s also why they say, “Never meet your heroes.”
Note - this is less a defense of Gibson. Indeed his sins and lack of anything of worth lately has probably caused his star to start to set. This is more of a general, over arching idea. Although according to the trailer of this film, he plays the asshole. The old school dinosaur. People love to hate such a foil.
Eh - not perfect, and while I have some issues with it, overall this is the first Trek I have really enjoyed since TNG. I guess I liked parts of DS9, but thus far I am interested.
Yeah, even without Mel Gibson, the movie just strikes me as mean-spirited and indulging in the ongoing glorification of toxic masculinity. Strength, power, and stoicism are heavily promoted as the “right” attributes for men to have, and the trailer seems to go out of its way to make the sensitive emotional men look like idiots and losers. It admonishes characters for being “snowflakes” and perpetuates the myth of the “friend zone”, with the ostensible protagonist indirectly telling his son that he should never accept that girls wouldn’t want to be his girlfriend. It looks like a gross movie, and I wouldn’t see it even if Mel Gibson had nothing to do with it.
OMG Jayne is a Gamergate guy? Damn, I had no idea. Depressing, but it also… kind of expected?
I’m liking it. Like DS9, and unlike STNG, characters have ambitions, anxieties, flaws, emotions, sex drives, etc. They’re not zombies with nothing going on inside. And the polar bear sized Tardigrade was awesome.
It certainly detracts from the quality of his performance to know that he doesn’t really have to reach to portray a complete bastard.
Basically. I think I just never knew the actors name.
My issue with the Discovery pilot is that the villains are moronic, and they only really developed two Starfleet characters, the likeable captain and the irritating and unbelievable protagonist who gets the former killed by the end. Sonequa Martin-Green is a fine actress, but I can’t swallow that Michael Burnham was a loyal and competent first officer for seven years when she spends the pilot berating her subordinates and mutinying. The only character I really like so far is Saru. Still, I will give it a chance I would give no other show because I’m a die-hard Star Trek fan.
The Tardigrade was cool. I liked DS9 better than TNG for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I like that Discovery’s characters aren’t are as bland as TNG. But just because people are complex doesn’t mean they always have to be at each others’ throats. DS9’s characters were flawed sure, but they weren’t devoid of camaraderie.
I didn’t want to know that.
Hacksaw Ridge was half of a decent war film (war gore porn at least).
We Were Soldiers was not one of the best Vietnam war films, but a fairly serviceable one. [Any film which kills off Chris Klein early on deserves kudos]
The guy knows how to direct realistic gore on par with many horror film directors.
Sorry.
I’ll be in my bunk.
‘Mourn.’
Well, there’s the fact that MJ was acquitted and had accusers recant; whereas there were actual separate pieces of evidence proving that MG did exactly what he was accused of.
Then there’s the fact that MG is still alive and still capable of behaving badly if he so chooses to; whereas death kinda puts a stop to such potential.
And i think that’s ok if someone is into that, i personally don’t need violence or gore for the sake of realism or as a stylistic choice so i likely wouldn’t get much from his latest movies. Dunkirk didn’t have much gore as far as i recall and thought the movie was great.
Right? How many mutants easily now jumping on the Fuck Mel Gibson train (not to say that is wrong) are also willing to melt down their copies of the White Album? John Lennon’s personal life was flaming hot garbage, after all.
I mean, while there’s almost no chance I’ll be watching any new Gibson film, there’s a very high likelihood I’ll rewatch Mad Max and The Road Warrior (tbh Thunderdome as well- there is no denying Tina Turner in this household!)
Gibson is a turd. There are also plenty of (presumably) decent humans involved in the making of those films. Do I punish them, as well?
Where does it end?
I’ve seen other shows where the pilot was an anomaly. The Shield stands out to me. In the pilot Mackey kills a fellow cop assigned to spy on him, but the rest of the series shows him to be a cagey and clever guy who would have found another way out, like framing him.
