World responds to Trump's proposed muslim ban

[anon61221983]

@MiniWhale

my drunk uncle at Thanksgiving

[celesteh]

He’s vulnerable financially to a boycott, but does he care? If he’s willing to bet is wealth on his quest for power, that doesn’t necessarily slow his rise. He may not win this time, but he could continue to gain support as someone who speaks power to truth - or maybe he could win, in which case, yikes. His prominence is already a massive problem in that stormfornt has had to upgrade its webservers to deal with the new influx of traffic. Hate crimes are up. Real people are suffering real physical harm from him already. Getting a coffee company to end their financial arrangement with him is certainly a good idea, but I feel like we need to do more than this.

[anon50609448]

@Thebarton_Gamer

Absolutely. This needs to be Trump’s petard.

What Godwin unintentionally did was provide cover for people who can be legitimately compared to the Nazis. Trump could be loading people into trains and sending them to “work camps” and comparisons to the Nazis would still have people saying “Godwin” in response. Someone asked Trump if he was concerned that more and more people are comparing him with Hitler and he just said, “No.” He isn’t because such comparisons have been completely discredited, even when they are reasonable.

@anon61221983

No, I think you’re right, it is getting harder to laugh through all this. The world spirals downward, and no one seems able to see the connections that make it all happen. At this point, we all sink and swim together, and too many people just can’t see that. That point is most keen in the case of Israel-Palestine.

Humour is the safety barrier on the edge of depression, constructed mostly by those who are already fallen over.

[Brainspore]

@anon50609448

Trump could be loading people into trains and sending them to “work camps” and comparisons to the Nazis would still have people saying “Godwin” in response.

He’s LITERALLY the Nazi candidate. As in, “he’s the one all the Neo-Nazi groups are endorsing.” He also unapologetically retweeted actual Neo-Nazi propaganda.

At this point there is simply no way to responsibly cover Trump’s campaign without invoking the Nazis and their contemporary followers.

This Neo-Nazi Response To Donald Trump's Anti-Muslim Plan Says It All

[anon15383236]

@celesteh

His prominence is already a massive problem in that stormfornt has had to upgrade its webservers to deal with the new influx of traffic. Hate crimes are up. Real people are suffering real physical harm from him already. Getting a coffee company to end their financial arrangement with him is certainly a good idea, but I feel like we need to do more than this.

Yes, I’m long fed up with anyone who still thinks he’s worthy of attention as an entertaining clown, trainwreck, Republican Id, ridiculous hairdo, eagle victim, and so on (I’m looking at BB too, there). What needs attention now is the damage he’s causing, not so much to the Republican party, but to people that party is having more and more trouble hiding its scapegoating disdain for.

[ficuswhisperer]

@LurkingGrue

I guess we need to build a religion meter that can measure if you are a muslim.

Just retool a gaydar.

Don’t point it at a gay Muslim though - it would be like crossing the streams.

[ficuswhisperer]

Wait. He has a fucking mattress line too? There doesn’t seem to be anything he won’t whore his name out to.

[anon26940528]

@FFabian

It’s quite stunning that he’s treated by the media and a sizable portion of the US electorate like a real candidate/politician instead like the comic relief or little break clown he really is.

I thought you were German. Don’t tell me you find the idea of a rabid racist populist bent on returning his country to glory after a perceived humiliation doesn’t sound familiar.

[anon26940528]

@anon61221983

At this point, we all sink and swim together, and too many people just can’t see that. That point is most keen in the case of Israel-Palestine.

[hello_friends]

The issue of how to respond to the attack in San Bernadino should be publicly reframed. The real issues are how to reduce the risk of future violence and protect against future violence.

The GOP approach of xenophobia and increased police and military response actually increases the risk of violence and decreases protection against violence. It’s uninformed, panicky “tough talk” that makes things worse.

If safety is the goal, then many GOP policies need to be shut down.

[anon67050589]

We need that .gif in the .gif thread for posterity!

[FFabian]

Yes and that’s exactly why I’m baffled (and worried).

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

Probably another issue of US exceptionalism: “Can’t happen here - 'cause we’re special”

[anon50609448]

@FFabian

Probably another issue of US exceptionalism: “Can’t happen here - 'cause we’re special”

Well, I wonder how exceptional US exceptionalism is in this regard. I remember watching the Bush election - the whole world was basically saying, “US, why are you electing an idiot for president?” But that’s mostly just because everyone else was watching that election. I think that people caught up in elections - regardless of where they are - seem to be unable to look at the election like an outsider would and notice that one Candidate is crazy or stupid or fascist. If a politician really is very, very stupid or very, very racist or a psychopath, people within that election won’t be able to communicate that because it will come across as overly partisan. People from the outside will see it clearly.

I suppose I am proposed a corollary of Godwin’s law - that when the next Hitler does come along, none of us will believe it is really happening because we are too used to writing off such comparisons.

[celesteh]

One of the candidates want to deport all members of a particular religion and make them carry special ids. how much more Hitler are we waiting for?

[anon50609448]

@celesteh

One of the candidates want to deport all members of a particular religion and make them carry special ids. how much more Hitler are we waiting for?

Remember a few weeks ago that mayor wrote a letter (cosigned by some governors) saying that Japanese-American internment camps were the right call? That spawned a number of discussions in various places making the comparison between that and proposed treatment of Muslim Americans. Most people don’t go so far as to say the Japanese-American internment was right, but instead bristle at any suggestion that current calls to watch Muslims are like that. The argument I saw for that was basically people saying, “Yeah, but when we did that we were wrong, the people we interred weren’t a threat. This time we are right, Muslims are a threat.”

I guess we would hope that having Hitler to look back upon would make things different, but until Trump literally suggests gas chambers, I’m not sure people who would consider supporting Trump will take the issue seriously, and even then I worry they’ll all just say, “This is different.” They’ll think that Hitler’s mistake was going after Jews who are upstanding citizens, but going after Muslims is a good idea (well, except for the actual neo-nazis who support him, they’ll want to get the Jews after the Muslims).

[s2redux]

“If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.”

Frank Herbert, The Dosadi Experiment, 1977

[peregrinus_bis]

@kupfernigk

Is he opening mouth prior to engaging brain?

Brain engage sequence fail

Need input.

[Garymon]

I will be hard to know that you need to build a time machine and go back to kill a guy, when you have never heard of him or the things he never lived to do.