doctorow at December 18th, 2013 16:06 — #1
engineer at December 18th, 2013 16:31 — #2
I've never been into weapons but for some reason I really liked butterfly knives when I was a teenager. Other than a small pocket knife and kitchen knives, it's the only knife I've ever owned. Since they're illegal in most of the US, I don't currently own one but this would be a nice compromise. It was never about having a blade but rather about doing neat tricks. Wonder how well balanced it is.
gilbertwham at December 18th, 2013 18:10 — #3
I used to be pretty good with a butterfly knife before the panicked & banned them. I've always carried a pocket-knife though. It's one of the accoutrements of a Gentleman. Like a hip-flask and a light.
glitch at December 18th, 2013 20:28 — #4
This looks like a great way to get arrested!
technogeekagain at December 18th, 2013 21:29 — #5
Right up there with the switchblade combs. Be careful when and where you carry, and when and where you deploy.
(Friend of mine had a lockblade knife that she'd worked on, and worked with, enough that she could flick it open just about as fast as a switchblade. I don't know whether she ever had to pull it on anyone.)
anonymouse at December 19th, 2013 03:07 — #6
Yeah, butterfly knifes have been illegal since 1959 in the UK, I think. I also think that the multitool element is sufficiently blade-like to be considered a knife as opposed to a knife-like novelty item. It is a pity because I think that butterfly knives are a particularly safe knife to carry, but I guess that teddy boys must've been using them to menace upstanding citizens in the '50s or something. Well, I suppose that they are a weapon rather than a utility knife.
(I learned this by being prosecuted for carrying one, so this is wisdom that was gained at great personal cost.)
gilbertwham at December 19th, 2013 07:15 — #7
1989, surely? I remember buying a t least two butterfly knives in the 80s. I think you're thinking of flick-knives (we used to buy 'em on school trips to France & sell them on. International arms-dealers, we were...)
anonymouse at December 19th, 2013 09:53 — #8
You're right - flick and gravity knives are specifically forbidden in the 1959 legislation. I checked the 1989 legislation and didn't spot any specific balisong-related legalese, although there was also a Scottish 1989 law that does mention butterfly knives. Maybe I missed it. A police officer told me it was the 1959 law that I was breaking, but then again, who trusts a cop?
I also noted that there's quite a long list of mainly Japanese agricultural tools which are banned outright in the UK; I can only assume that the UK parliament are terrified of ninjas.
jonathanpeterso at December 19th, 2013 10:39 — #9
SWEET. I bought a batch of bali song beer openers last year as Christmas presents for friends, the martial arts, switchbladiness is awesome. Having a multi-tool with you at all times is a mark of being a get shit done sort of person, the combination? Unstoppable. Must have.
gilbertwham at December 19th, 2013 11:02 — #10
I'm pretty sure they were banned in the late 80s, in one of our regular knifecrime hoohaas. Tho it may have been a later piece of Serious, Life-Saving Legislation. Our Lizard Overlords love all that crack. Makes 'em feel important.
anonymouse at December 19th, 2013 11:30 — #11
I'm with you on the general knife crime panic front, although a balisong is primarily a weapon so I think in the instance of that particular item it's a reasonable position. A practical weapon that can be useful to have around sure, but you can also open champagne with a sabre, without diminishing its weapon-hood. I'm not really a fan of 'tactical' pens either, though that is the opposite - taking a useful everyday object and sticking klingon spikes on it until it is a weapon that bleeds ink.
gilbertwham at December 19th, 2013 11:41 — #12
I prefer my booze without glass fragments
Tactical pens should be inserted into the rectum of their foolish owners, yes.
I've been pulled many a time with a lock-knife, but have explained it away as being a useful tool (which it is). My current one is a black Gerber that looks quite foolishly 'tactical', but it's a lovely little knife, and very light & easy to use for all it's anodised black. As an inveterate nail-biter with squishy, blunt finger tips, I reserve the right to have a pointy thing in my pocket (I can't even pick money up off the damn floor without it...).
anonymouse at December 19th, 2013 11:47 — #13
Fixed blade knives are legal given a good and lawful reason for carrying them (work or hobby, but don't rely upon the hobby reason because coppers) but folding knives with a locking mechanism don't seem to be legal in public at all. Which is weird seeing as Opinel knives (perfect camping knives to my mind) have a rotating locking collar, and are for sale all over the place.
gilbertwham at December 19th, 2013 11:51 — #14
As far as I understand it, a lock-knife with a blade under 3.5" and a reasonable explanation for having it is fine (it's always worked for me; I even walked through the metal detectors in a crown court with one absent-mindedly in my pocket). Opinels are lovely things, I could shave with mine, but they're a bit too big, or small, & the blades are fragile.
technogeekagain at December 20th, 2013 11:42 — #15
What's legal varies WIDELY by location. Know your local rules; know the rules of anywhere else you're going to be carrying.
anonymouse at December 20th, 2013 11:56 — #16
Gilbert and I were discussing the UK. Laws vary widely, but butterfly knives appear to be maligned almost everywhere. They're even banned in the Phillipines.
doctorow at December 23rd, 2013 16:03 — #17
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