frauenfelder at April 4th, 2014 11:37 — #1
downtoncrabby at April 4th, 2014 11:47 — #2
"demanding sexual favors from women he pulled over on suspicion of drunk driving." Otherwise known as sexual assault or rape...
milliefink at April 4th, 2014 12:04 — #3
In the Ayn Rand Fantasy Theme Park of Reason.com, everyone is free to do everything!!
steampunkbanana at April 4th, 2014 12:08 — #4
Because "Pix or it didn't happen"
rkt88edmo at April 4th, 2014 12:20 — #5
Time to pop in the tape of everyone's favorite department training video actor - Harvey Keitel
tornpapernapkin at April 4th, 2014 12:22 — #6
Boy I sure feel safer now! I mean how am I supposed to sleep at night knowing there are strippers in clubs working...
spunkytws at April 4th, 2014 12:26 — #7
I can't decide whether this is better or worse than paying confidential informants to have sex with strippers at a strip club in order to build a case for citing the club for prostitution.
anthonyi at April 4th, 2014 13:06 — #8
I bought a jeep just down the road from that place. The dealer gave me a free admission pass. I never went. That place was been in the spotlight about a decade ago involving similar circumstances. Corrupt city council members or something...
vonbobo at April 4th, 2014 13:16 — #9
Maybe someone was behind on "rent"?
aikimo at April 4th, 2014 13:20 — #10
The people at Reason.com think people should be free to sexually assault each other?
rkt88edmo at April 4th, 2014 13:34 — #11
@milliefink I'm not sure why there is a reason.com crossover happening here, but I don't think libertarianism, or Ayn Rand's version of it would be ok with government agents assaulting citizens; in fact the role of govt is quite the opposite, even in its extremely limited (as envisioned) capacity.
milliefink at April 4th, 2014 13:37 — #12
Likely not, if actually pressed on the logical and practical limitations of their Koch-fueled "freedom! freedom! no nanny state! collectivism and government are bad! etc." ideology. But who knows, there may well be ideologues there who are pure enough to insist that laws against sexual assault infringe on freedom of sexual expression.
milliefink at April 4th, 2014 13:40 — #13
I think it's happening because the Koch bros and their ilk are getting gradually better at finding ways to make ideology that ultimately serves the interests of plutocrats seem cool.
aikimo at April 4th, 2014 14:09 — #14
So, you're saying that they might think people should be free to sexually assault each other, but then probably would have to admit that wouldn't be okay?
It doesn't really makes sense as the folks at Reason.com (with whom I frequently disagree) are all about the voluntary exchange of goods and services. One would have to have a very reflexive, and limited understanding of their philosophy to even suggest that they would support the freedom of people to sexually assault one another.
It's kind of similar to the way conservatives think Obama is a socialist.
aikimo at April 4th, 2014 14:10 — #15
So, to be clear, the take-away from the fact that cops raided a strip club and took pictures of the strippers is that the people reporting it are the problem?
milliefink at April 4th, 2014 14:58 — #16
No. The problem with this presentation of those facts is how it fits into and promulgates a broader narrative, as well how it makes a place like Reason.com seem, ironically enough, reasonable.
aikimo at April 4th, 2014 15:07 — #17
What is the "broader narrative" from a story about cops using bureaucratic excuses to raid strip clubs and take pictures of the women there?
Reason is frequently more reasonable - and liberal - on issues of civil rights, criminal justice, and foreign policy than the leaders of the Democratic party. I disagree with them on other positions they hold regarding the proper role of government in society, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be ignored on all issues or that their philosophies should be grossly misrepresented.
crenquis at April 4th, 2014 15:25 — #18
I think that they probably just heard about the Hawaiian officers and decided that this was what they could get away with in San Diego...
dacree at April 4th, 2014 15:31 — #19
It somehow seems worse than sexual assault when it's a cop with a gun and the power to get paid vacation if he decides to kill you.
spunkytws at April 4th, 2014 15:38 — #20
There's going to be a rush on applications at Hawaiian police stations.
At least Hawaii is limiting it to police officers. The confidential informants used by police were usually convicted criminals who were paid to go to strip clubs and solicit sex in exchange for reduced sentences. Because nothing teaches a lesson to someone who's guilty of domestic abuse like having to have sex.
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