2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

Looks like Mike doesn’t read his own magazine.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-07-01/ending-the-tyranny-of-the-open-plan-office

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-01/everyone-hates-the-open-plan-office-it-doesn-t-have-to-be-that-way

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-07-04/open-plan-offices-are-making-us-less-social

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He really should just primary Trump.

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Does not sound like he should progress to a more serious long term relationship with your family member.

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Dude! We’re talking about US politics here, so might as well go to the source:

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I considered it, but I couldn’t resist the chance to post some Bragg.

Now we get both. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Trust me, this was discussed. In great detail.

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White progressives and people of color have a great opportunity to show their strength by turning up at the primaries and voting for someone other than Biden. If we can’t manage that and Joe gets the nomination then it is hard to see how a Democrat can win in the general without appealing to another set of voters.

Actually…

Who sang it best?

  • Florence Reese
  • Billy Bragg
  • Pete Seeger
  • Natalie Merchant
  • Ani Difranco
  • Almanac Singers
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I think you still have it backwards. Candidates have a great opportunity to show their strength by earning the primary votes of progressives and people of color.

Also, that still ignores that a significant chunk of the population who live in areas that have late primaries and get very little say.

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Had to vote for my guy, but if I could have chosen twice, I’d listen to Natalie Merchant singing the Yellow Pages.

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No, this is silly. None of the candidates owe us jack until they start to work for us, any more than we owe them anything until they get elected. Just like any candidate for any job. A candidate who wants us to vote for them is advised to make themselves as attractive to us as possible, but none of the Democratic candidates is going to suffer very much if Trump wins the next election, and none of them need the job as much as we the voters need someone other than Trump in office. It is therefore our job to do what we can to get someone better into office, since we’re the ones who will benefit or suffer from the result.

Biden has evidently decided that appealing to moderate Democrats or even anti-Trump Republicans is his best chance of winning. If those people turn up to vote for him, but would-be Warren supporters stay home because she didn’t promise a new pony in every pot, and Biden wins, it won’t be Warren’s fault. Just like it wasn’t Bernie’s fault that he didn’t win the 2016 nomination, and it wasn’t Clinton’s fault that she didn’t win the general election.

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how is this still a thing

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Boy I sure am getting sick and fucking tired of being told that my desire to have a health care system that isn’t criminally usurious is exactly the same thing as asking Santa to give me a pony for Christmas. Way to run with that Clinton talking point, though, dude.

ETA: Also of course it was Clinton’s fault for losing the election. She was running against a literal muppet and couldn’t be bothered to pay any attention to critical swing states.

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Fundamentally, that’s nonsense. In a Democracy, candidates have to earn the votes of the public. That’s especially true in primaries. It should be more true for the general, but it isn’t because of the two-party system the US has. It’s why Washington warned against a two-party system; because entrenched parties have less incentive to fucking earn their votes.

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Since we have 2 candidates in the race who want MFA, that obviously wasn’t an example I had in mind. However, the primaries will be a good test of how critical voters think the difference is between MFA and ACA+single payer option. Those who think it is critical should come out and vote.

You can try to deny this all you want, but if there are two competing groups and one turns up to vote and the other doesn’t, and the first one wins, the second group has no standing to turn around and start blaming other people.

As for 2016, I think Clinton has less blame for losing than anyone else involved, including the entire voting population, unless you are simply blaming her for being who she is.

You’re still looking at this like it’s a monarchy that has contests between rival houses every four years instead of a democracy. The power of the government is derived from the people, not the other way around. I supported and voted for Clinton in 2016, and it is delusional to think that the ultimate responsibility for her electoral loss doesn’t land with her. It was a winnable election and she didn’t do what was needed to win. End of (that) story.

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And it’s not like it would cost the average person any more either. It would cost less.

Plus, how bout we stop being Big Dick World Cop, and shift some of that military budget – that is, tax funds we’re already paying – over to things like health care, or education? That’s just asking for more ponies, I guess.

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Ew.

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