2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

The national party can change that at a convention level, which is the locus of authority. There are advantages to not just starting with big states, since then the nominee is effectively chosen by the media, and there are advantages to starting with a caucus or ranked choice state for upstart candidates (like Sanders in 2016 and Obama in 2008), but for sure the Iowa democrats do not have the right to dictate that to the rest of the party, and the current order is probably not optimal.

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I would love to see the result of a one-time experiment in which the first state did their primary voting by secret ballot, the results of which were not reported on AT ALL until all votes were in.

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“Finally, CNN mentions Bernie Sanders in a headline…”

It will be interesting to hear about this from Warren or an official spokesperson. Sanders denies it, and the “sources” are third-hand, at best.

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It looks like someone is trying to create a controversy. (I don’t think it is Warren or Sanders, in case anyone needs to ask)


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Un-fuck this guy. Maybe he should use his vast fortune to back a candidate or candidates with a chance rather than sucking away more oxygen from others with his vanity campaign.

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He might have been saying that in a patricarchal society that’s full of misogyny, a woman is going to have a harder time getting through on her merits as opposed to a man who is assumed to be authoritative, even when spouting utter bullshit.

Or it could just be straight up bullshit, which I find far more likely.

Clearly, they are legitimately afraid of Sander’s success at this point, as he seems to be the front runner right now.

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Yeah. Maybe CNN itself, which seems to be claiming it broke this story. If so, just for clicks? Or because as a megacorp, it basically would like to suppress the policies Sanders stands for?

There’s this too, which I just took from CNN’s site. Notice especially the headline on the bottom:

“Sources say…” and Sanders denies…", but never mind, we’re still gonna go already with “Sanders is wrong…”

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To be fair, the story would be easier to dismiss out of hand if Warren publicly backed up Sanders’ denial.

SOMEBODY seems to be selling an inaccurate version of that conversation and I can’t pretend to know who.

ETA: Warren is now standing by the claim. Either someone misinterpreted what the other one was saying or one of the two is lying. Pity, they were (and tentatively remain) my two favorite candidates.

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The debate is going to be intense

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Two questions:

Why now and not when it happened?

Cui Bono?

Because if this was such a slight, such an insult, such a transgression that it demands action and redress … Then why not bring it up when it happened? Why wait until the night before a debate and weeks before the Iowa caucus?

I don’t know if the story is true or not. If it is true then it reflects poorly on Sanders. If it is false then it reflects poorly on Warren. If it’s partially true but unfairly distorted/taken out of context somehow then it reflects badly on whoever decided to tell the story that way.

However I do know that “why is this coming out now instead of when it happened?” is a question that has been used to dismiss all kinds of sexist nonsense since time immemorial, so maybe that’s not the question we need to be asking right now.

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Well, ‘Why is this coming out now instead and of when it happened?’ is also a legitimate f&#@ing question, isn’t it? And when the f@#k should it be asked, in a week or so?

This isn’t a criminal case, or an assault case; it’s either revealing an ugly moment of private conversation from Sanders to Warren or someone made it the f@#k up because the Bernie Bro myth is how people (specifically, centrists who love to lose elections) f@#k with Bernie.

Actually, this makes both of them look like crap; maybe Biden leaked it?

Anyhow.

It was also a question demanded of Roy Moore’s accusers, as I recall.

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Accusers plural, in that case, versus one-on-one heresay.

Come on, comrade.

Very different accusations under very different circumstances but then, as now, the important question isn’t “why is this coming out now?” but “is this story true?”

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No, @Brainspore’s right. I have concerns about the story (“sources” say), but Warren deserves to be heard.

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I never said she didn’t!

But this is fishy as hell, and also why we lose.