2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

Maybe, $$$$$ ?

Edit: having read it, sounds like new $$$$ + blinkered masculinity. (Ugh)

Interesting read tho, thanks for the link!

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Yup. That be Tories, all right. All deep seated feelings of inadequacy and entitlement.

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It’s some interesting thoughts. I feel like characterizing Dave Chappelle as someone who wishes racial tensions were simpler like there were in the past is missing a bit of what’s going on. Still, the general perception that Yang is the candidate for wealthy people who’d just like to be left alone seems to have something to it.

But also I would not want Norm MacDonald to endorse me, and would never believe that MacDonald had endorsed me. You wouldn’t want an endorsement from Andy Kaufman. Some comedians are too far gone.

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Interesting about Norm, who always stuck me as a bit smarter than most comedians. How do you see him as far gone?

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The Derp Vote

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When I say MacDonald is “far gone” I mean I think they are so steeped in joking at all times that you basically can’t trust anything they say. Like how MacDonald’s autobiography is an absurd pack of lies. It’s not like MacDonald tried to hide that it wasn’t true, but they also don’t illuminate which parts are real and which aren’t.

Norm’s brother Neil reviewed Norm’s memoir for CBC and near the end said:

Actually, I’ve known Norm for nearly 57 years, and still can’t say I know what he really thinks.

Check our MacDonald’s support for Rob Ford:

This was reported in the Toronto Sun (conservative rag) as if it was MacDonald’s real opinion. It was covered in lots of placed. But I read those tweets and it’s impossible for me to think they aren’t a joke. I mean “for a man is a sinner and nothing else”? Imagine that in a Norm MacDonald voice.

So on one hand I’m sure it was a joke but it seems like Ford and Ford’s supporters (and plenty of people who didn’t like Ford) thought it was 100% serious. Basically I’m just saying if I was a politician and Norm MacDonald endorsed me and I thought it was the greatest most glowing endorsement of all time, and the media was all talking about how great this endorsement was for me I’d be thinking, “Fuck, somewhere out there someone who gets the joke is laughing at me.”

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I get it, my kids got a debt free college too. But that speaks to the degree of privilege they come from. The vast majority would not have the option of “cash on the barrelhead” financing. This also strikes me as a “gotcha” ambush from right wingers trying to sabotage Warren. Not really buying it, to be honest. Most of us who would actually vote for Warren are not going to go for “why should those undeserving kids get their debt canceled if I am not getting paid?”

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Talk about “angry at the wrong people!” This guy is angry at the person who is trying to help, rather than the people who took his money and ran; rather than the people who didn’t help when it was their job to do so; rather than the people who cheated the system to reduce or avoid tuition. SMH.

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Thank you for explaining!

Yeah, Norm always has seemed pretty apolitical, which often ends up being de facto conservative. And that kind of satire that you and that article describe, if that’s even what it is – well, that doesn’t seem especially smart of him, given how readily useful it was for conservatives.

I like how he tells stories on chat shows, and there’s something likable for me about his persona, but other than that, I can’t say I’ve been a big fan. Now I know to be more careful about his work.

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Yeah, at this point in history being always-joking is sort of being conservative. There’s kind of a nihilism under it (which probably explains why I like MacDonald’s comedy so much).

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How’s that for Joementum!

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tl;dr - “I don’t care if you die trying to drum up support for my candidacy (which I’m entitled to because I’ve been failing at this endeavor since 1988).”

Go away Drunkle Joe.

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From the article:

Responding to a request for comment, a Biden campaign official confirmed that Glad had suspended the weather policy, but said she had acted unilaterally and was subsequently reprimanded and her team was given proper guidance.

Another Biden campaign representative added: “Kay is one of eight regional organizing directors in the state [and] supervises about a dozen organizers.”

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Being tone deaf at best ain’t a good look, especially for someone his age.

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Under the albeit honorable guise of giving every end of the political spectrum a fair shake, he’s introduced his mega-audience to guests with unquestionably racist and sexist views, which go largely unchallenged. In one episode, his guest Gad Saad floated the debunked myth that the term Islamophobia only exists as a political ploy to give cover to dangerous foreign Islamist groups.

But while I support Sanders’ politics, ads like these put me and many others in the uncomfortable position of wondering about our place in his coalition. The new ad is not just Rogan speaking out for Bernie—it’s also Bernie legitimizing Rogan, whose podcast trades in dangerous myths about already marginalized people. Do I have to make myself comfortable with arguments about whether my DNA is inferior? Should I think twice about voting for someone who will embrace people who entertain those arguments too?

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Not only do I think the show is pretty good, I think Rogan’s is the best endorsement Bernie Sanders could hope for — his fans are a group of people we can’t afford to cede to Trump.

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Just… no.

[ETA] Also, I have to point out that the author says they do not recognize the racism/misogyny/homophobia/transphobia that often crops up in the show, but then they say this:

I’m a Joe Rogan Experience listener myself, and I have been for a few years. But like most of the show’s seven million YouTube subscribers, I skip most episodes and only watch a few clips here and there.

So they don’t listen regularly, but they know that these things aren’t there? Yeah… no.

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