2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

Were saying it was a conspiracy theory that the DNC was involved in an app for an election?

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Yes, he’s still orders of magnitude better than Trump.

However, the Democratic Party should absolutely positively not nominate him. It would help if we can do something about the gag orders he has on the harassment settlements. It would also help if we can get him up on the debate stage, so the other candidates (especially Warren and Klobuchar) can tear into him.

Certainly not what I said. Changes in the way that Iowa reported the caucuses was certainly a response to DNC pressure, and the app was part of how Iowa tried to implement their response to this pressure. However, the idea that the app was part of an evil plot to manipulate the results (and not just massive incompetence) is certifiably a conspiracy theory, in the sense that Qanon is advocating for it.

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We can still admire Gabbard on many grounds: the unrivaled boldness—among major party candidates, at least—of her denunciations of US regime-change interventionism; her potent one-punch knockout blow against the rising neoliberal star Kamala Harris at last July’s Detroit debate; her resistance to the PC establishment siren songs of identity politics, Russiagate, Ukrainegate, and impeachment while Bernie and AOC ran with those diversionary DNC stampedes; her unsparing honesty in denouncing the “rot” of the Democratic Party and her calling out Hillary Clinton as the “queen of warmongers” before suing her for defamation for the infamous “Russian asset” slur; her defense of Bernie Sanders against Elizabeth Warren’s clumsy imputations of sexism just before and after last month’s Iowa debate; and her open disdain of conventional political careerism in resigning from the DNC in 2016 in order to support Sanders’s presidential bid. These gestures of principle marked her out as a candidate of unique vision and independence who refused to run with this or that political herd or fashion. But in the end, she was too indecisive and equivocal for her own good: in politics, if you run with no crowd at all, you run alone—or with 3.3 percent.

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Not that I too don’t hope that Mayo Pete’s star burns out right quick.

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No we can’t,

Fucking CounterStabInTheBack - not gonna forget your terf enabling.

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She’s still in it to win it. At this point everyone hereabouts is scratching their heads.

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Also, from the Counterpunch article:

her resistance to the PC establishment siren songs of identity politics

Alexander Cockburn’s malign spirit still haunts the magazine.

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The offer letter hasn’t come through yet from Fox News.

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Bernie ain’t the only one being erased:

The bias could not be more obvious. They can’t fully ignore the frontrunner (would if they could, I am sure), but they will erase any progressive candidate they can (happened with Castro, too).

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Remember them publishing Alice Donovan; the Russian troll who was pushing “Blacks Against Hillary”?

Tools.

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Not sure what that’s referring to in regards to Gabbard, but do you think there is no such siren song? One singing, for instance, praisesongs to and calls to vote for HRC because she’s a woman, while ignoring her many decidedly anti-progressive actions and policies?

I agree that the site’s writers can be obnoxiously dismissive of identity issues in favor of class struggle, but I do also see at times a blinkered touting of flawed candidates on the left because they happen to check this or that identity box.

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I didn’t screen grab the headlines from early in the week, but CNN had two headlines almost on top of each other:

Why Joe Biden Is Still In It

Why Warren’s Bid Is Over

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Dayum.

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One can make that critique without using language straight out of Breitbart or the National Review and without throwing marginalised groups under the bus. In general practise, the magazine tends to start from a reasonable left-wing challenge to the centre-left consensus, but then starts sounding like Birchers and right-wing conspiracy theorists and (more recently) useful idiots for Putin. I wish I could say it was just tone, but it’s obvious that they believe their positions.

Counterpunch has been doing that kind of extremely misguided thing going back to the mid-90s, and not only on identity politics. Personally, I don’t find it to be a credible outlet or its publishers and writers trustworthy allies, but getting into an extended debate over why would be off-topic here.

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