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All that money to complain that Trump cheats at golf and how he eats his steak?? That’s some fuggly weak-sauce definition of “going after” Trump. Why not a serious issue, like his typos?
He obviously doesn’t want to hurt the Plutocrat ticket’s chances: TRUMP & BLOOMBERG 2020
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This Bloomberg ad is brilliant:
I hope it sticks around long after Bloomberg is gone and forgotten.
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For some definitions of “brilliant.” To me, it looks like another piece of propaganda that weakens the already shitty public trust of politicians.
Next week, the Trump campaign will come out with a similar bit putting words in the mouth of a democratic candidate.
It’s juvenile and unnecessary. No need to piece it together. Trump’s own words condemn him.
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That’s some seriously disturbing body snatchers shit right there.
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Apparently not; impeachment raised his popularity. His supporters need an explanation of what he did wrong aimed at a juvenile level.
It is possible to hate Bloomberg and still agree with his attacks on Trump. And it won’t take videos like this to entice Trump into putting out deceptive attack ads.
Nothing will move them. Trying to do anything but demoralize them (which this doesn’t do) is a waste. Putting analysis of his crimes directly in view of historical non-voters is what will move the needle. This hurts every Trump opponent’s credibility by association.
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Giving up on the people who switched from Obama to Trump, and instead counting on new voters to come on board, is risky. I’ll happily change my mind if the big primaries coming up show a disproportionately large turnout of such voters, meanwhile it is vapourware.
I don’t think a video explaining the impeachment motivation is a serious threat to any candidate’s credibility, excepting Trump.
The analysis of the 50% of eligible voters who are historical non-voters has already been linked here, so I’ll leave it to you to find it yourself. It clearly shows that that group is not moderate or centrist as is often believed, but rather put off by both the lack of voice given to the voting public and the perceived general sliminess of politics across the board.
Composing an intentionally deceptive video piecing together statements from anyone that they never really said is just going to turn those voters off. Just more of the same from lying politicians. Oh, by the way, that voting group is also tired of people insulting their intelligence.
As for voters who switched from Obama to Trump, that tiny sliver of folks have either already converted back (if a candidate can give them hope rather than cynicism) or they marked “Obama” on their ballot in 2008 & 2012 on accident.
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This. And the responsibility for this lies with the politicians, not the voters. If they want to get those votes, they need to be less slimy and corrupt. No amount of scolding and haranguing them for not just sucking it up and going along with it will do the trick, nor should it.
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Unfortunately, the evidence is that voters don’t punish politicians who lie to them or insult their intelligence.
The evidence suggests the opposite - voters punish all politicians for lying (even the ones who lie less) - by fully half not voting.
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I don’t think evidence supports the hypothesis that “because they’re liars” is a major factor. From Pew:
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First off, that takes some extrapolation from registration —> voting. But, for the sake of argument, let’s look at the numbers you posted.
You’ve got 14% who don’t care about politics (usually because they’ve been turned off by it) + 12% with no confidence, and 3% who say there’s no point. That’s 29% of listed respondents (out of only 87% listed).
Multiply by 120M eligible non-voters, and that’s 34.8M extra votes. Reach that group reliably and you’ve won in a landslide. Further alienate voters and you make the non-voter ranks swell and hand victory to the GOP.
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We had this discussion in another thread. The US actually has quite a high rate of voters among those who register. (This is why attempts to suppress registration are so insidious.)
I agree that those who don’t care about politics are a high fraction of those who don’t register. It is pure speculation that this is due to politicians being liars, let alone that one autotuned ad (the libretto of which is the truth) will have any effect there.
But there’s no need for speculation. There was a thorough, recent analysis posted here within the past 2-3 months. And the conclusion was that over half of eligible non-voters didn’t vote due to distrust and disillusionment.
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But not slightly deceptive advertising.
In any event, I do hope you’re right. I remember being hugely excited by the turnout of new voters for McCarthy in the primaries in 1968. I don’t wish the kind of pain I felt in November 1968 on anyone.
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I hope I can post this without fomenting voter dissatisfaction and suppressing turnout.
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No surprise, given that Bloomie is Republican in Dem’s clothing.
It actually strikes me as great news, given that having flinty old Clint on his side will just make his veiled conservatism all that more evident to a lot of people.
Seriously? It strikes me as ham fisted and inept. And so like, 2012. When people were already doing a much better job at that sort of homemade mashery.
It’s more evidence that olds who try to adopt what they think are the stylings of today’s young ones just come across as insincere.
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