2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

Watch this reproduced soon in every ad-hoc online classroom in every university in the country.

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I also should clarify. On average, the USA is about 2 weeks behind Italy. But the hot spots like New York and Seattle are a few days behind, and some parts are 3 or 4 weeks behind or further. It’s not uniform. This clarification is not really to you. It’s for the pedants who are reading, LOL.

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Agreed. It’s not uniform, watch Seattle for where we all will be soon.

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Biden is coming across better so far in this debate, sounding like Mr. Action Man, compared to Sanders the One-note Champion of the Little People. Middle-class voters are selfish. They don’t care about the little people.

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I’m afraid so. Nobody seemed to notice though that all the stuff Biden would do “now!” can’t be done by him, or by anyone on the pro-science side of the election i.e. Bernie, until next January at the very earliest.

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Selfishness aside, one criticism people have had with Sanders for a long time now is that he keeps returning to the same stuff all the time. It makes him seem like narrow and, indeed, one-note.

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And by then the landscape could be very very different. And much quieter.

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In my opinion, when given the opportunity, Sanders failed to properly address what could be his more significant weakness in this primary. He didn’t even says “African-American” in his non-answer:

BASH: Senator Sanders, Senator Sanders, let me just follow up with you about an issue that you’re having. For the second consecutive presidential election, you’re struggling to gain wide support from African-Americans. Why is your message not resonating with African- American voters?
SANDERS: Here is what I believe is happening. And this is an important point and why I decided to run for president. I think it’s imperative that we defeat Trump. I think our campaign, of a biracial, bi-generational, multigenerational, grassroots movement is the way to do it.
Now, we have won some states. Joe has won more states than I have. But here’s what we are winning. We are winning the ideological struggle. Even states in Mississippi, where Joe won a major victory, it turns out that a pretty good majority of the folks there believe in Medicare for all. And that’s true in almost every state in this country.
And the other issue that we don’t talk enough about is we are winning the generational struggle. Depending on the state, we’re winning people 50 years of age or younger. Big time, people 30 years of age and younger. I, frankly, have my doubts.
Look, I – if I lose this thing, Joe wins, Joe, I will be there for you. But I have my doubts about how you win a general election against Trump – who will be a very, very tough opponent – unless you have energy, excitement, the largest voter turnout in history.
And to do that, you are going to have to bring young people, who are not great voters. They don’t vote in the kinds of numbers they should – into the political process. You’re going to have to bring Latinos, who are great people, who have the agenda that we need, but also don’t vote in the numbers that we need. I have my doubts that Vice President Biden’s campaign can generate that energy and excitement and that voter turnout.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2003/15/se.03.html

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I hope this debate lays to rest the idea that Biden is somehow mentally impaired.

Joe’s campaign is based on a Beatles song:

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“We’re going to have to bring in every subset of voters I can think of, which just happens to not include the African-American voters you asked about.”

/smh

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These guys need to read Michael Harriot’s op-ed in the WaPo I linked upthread. A Trump reelection will be an existential crisis for people in many communities, people without the luxury of ideological purity or hatred for the Democratic Party.

Krystal Ball’s advice is to leave the ballot blank? Maybe that’s how she lost her own election by such a landslide in 2010. Good thing she has her $175K salary as a PAC director to fall back on.

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I dislike Biden as much as if not more than the average non-brocialist Sanders supporter. I don’t think he’s inclined to make the changes needed to address inequality and climate change and I have strong doubts that he has what it takes to beat Il Douche.

But if Biden’s the Dem nominee I’m voting for him, because in our duopoly system the alternative is much worse and a more immediate danger to liberal American democracy.

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That’s good! I’ll be voting for whoever ends up as the D candidate too.

Still, I fear that the American left as we have known it can’t really unite and work in solidarity post 2016. The party’s internal divisions are just as full of vitriol and fear as the one that exists between the parties.

Even here I see posts meant to stoke fear with graphic images of violence and inflammatory language- and again, this is blue vs. blue fighting.

Here’s hoping…

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Exactly this.

Protest votes don’t work unless you have nothing to lose.

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That was awkward.

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I agree with the article, it was a good debate.

Biden’s time as Obama’s man-on-the-ground showed; he had, for example, plausible concrete suggestions as to what to do right now for for the pandemic. I honestly didn’t expect anything quite so competent.

Post-Obama Joe seems to be much improved over the pre-Obama Joe, that angry self-important plagiarizing asshole who hung Anita Hill out to dry and voted to invade Iraq.

Sanders is right that Biden is a recent convert to many progressive policies (though he should have read my post in the California Primary thread before falsely accusing Biden of being a latecomer to the $15 minimum wage), but it is better to convert to such policies than away from them, and if Joe can give us reason to believe that his conversion is genuine then he might make a better president than one had hoped.

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