Do you approve of socialism?
Sad thing is, if even Trump voters knew all that much about what socialism actually is, they’d very much approve of it.
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True enough.
Credit for this goes to some forgotten university professor of a friend, but: “Ideology is when you interpret evidence against your belief as evidence for your belief.”
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I have to admit, this surprised me. I expected Biden to do worse.
But considering how close to identical Clinton’s and Biden’s policies’ are, and how little else Biden has going for him, I can’t see any way around their conclusion.
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Sexism and general anti-Clinton mood are surely part of the equation, but I think presentation matters a lot, too. RIght now, it seems like people have had enough of rapid change and upheaval, and want stability and safety. Bernie is offering more of the former, even if it’s for good cause and leading to better things, while Biden’s offering the latter.
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Sanders’ reputation has turned toxic between 2016 and 2020. Not only did Sanders’ reputation turn toxic, he was conflated with Trump for much of the 2016 campaign as well. More than a few of these Michigan and Missouri voters assumed in 2016 that they were voting for a Democratic Trump. It turns out that Trump sucks and isn’t what they wanted at all, so now they want the Democratic anti-Trump, or the person perceived to be that person.
I can only hope, because this would mean an easier victory for Biden this year if Biden were to be the nominee.
Biden also doesn’t have the 15-30 years of being trashed in the news media that Hillary Clinton did when she ran. I’m not saying the system was rigged against her, but in this aspect it was. Fair or unfair, there were a lot of people who didn’t like Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden doesn’t have that working against him. So, it’s less that they wouldn’t vote for a woman than they wouldn’t vote for this particular woman.
But as @smulder would point out, Sanders has 18% of the delegates and Biden has 22%, so this ain’t over. If Sanders gets the nomination, I expect everyone calling him and/or his supporters sexist to vote for him, much like I am prepared to vote for Biden if he gets the nomination. Also much how I voted for the last Democratic candidate even though she wasn’t my first choice, despite all the hate from other Clinton supporters.
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I think that politicizing the pandemic will not work well in the primaries. As obvious as it seems that M4A would have been better than ACA+PO in this crisis, there’s no real evidence for it yet, and neither one will come in time to save us. Countries with national health care are suffering a heck of a lot more than the US right now, and while that is certainly a matter of timing and not of our superior medical system, I don’t think people will process that fully. Meanwhile, this feels like an unreasonable attack on Biden, who is not in any way responsible for the pandemic.
Are you serious? Politicizing it?
The reporter ASKED about it. And Sanders’s answer spends little or no time connecting any particular policy to Biden, let alone attacking him for that. Also, why WOULDN’T he address the issue in terms of a need for better health care, when the kind of health care he’s calling for would OBVIOUSLY be working better during this crisis than what we have?
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Wait 1 week and come back to this.
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But @anon15383236, if the US had universal single-payer healthcare, all the people who felt sick would have gone to get tested and treated right away, which would have meant rich people would have had to share resources with poor people! Now, all the rich people are getting tested and treated before the poors get a chance to, as it should be. /s
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THOSE DAMN POLITICIANS POLITICIZING EVERYTHING
i caucused for bernie in 1922 but now i hate everything he does
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Timely reminder:
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The final analysis will be interesting, but the two countries with the highest per-capita infection rates (I’m in one of them) have fabulous national health systems. Right now, and for the foreseeable future (much longer than a week), there won’t be anything you can point to that makes the M4A difference obvious enough to be a talking point.
What will be obvious are public health policy effects, such as emergency supply preparedness, dissemination of accurate information, medical supply distribution, implementation of preventative policies, emergency funding, and so on. These are different from medical insurance policy, and are things on which President Fakenews has already seriously failed, so this aspect of national health policy is certainly fair game, and will be in the general election, for either candidate.
If this seems like a cynical way to hype M4A to a national health system supporter like me, it will feel that way to people less supportive of it, so I stand by my sense that it will not be helpful as a primary talking point.
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We are on exactly the same trajectory as Italy, with a 2 week delay. Exactly, precisely. Headed for a disaster. Hide and watch. Emphasis on hide.
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Yes we are. This train is coming and there is no stopping it. There is only slowing it down. We have GOT to get out in front of this thing with a massive effort and slow its spread. This IS another 9/11. Two weeks from now, the intensity is going to be 10x what it is now. You are right about the comp with Italy.
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And we have an idiot in charge. The states are trying to respond piecemeal and doing the best they can, but that kind of response is doomed. The stupid will kill us dead.
So focus locally and protect yours as best you can.
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