2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

Well, sure. Both major parties benefit from having third party be only spoilers, so neither is going to work to change it. But voting for third parties won’t change it either, because, while that is the system, they really are just spoilers.

Sure. My point is that anyone fro the major parties complaining about spoilers is a lying shithead who’s trying to gaslight you, and you should probably assume that they’re that way in general and not just on this particular issue.

If it’s someone who’s not from a major party, and is making the argument that they’ve successfully fucked you over and blackmailed you, so that you don’t have a choice but to do what they want, that’s actually a legitimate and honest argument, and that’s a pretty typical argument here, but you don’t hear that much in the media at large.

Cool Donnie - I look forward to you being deposed under oath. Civil suit standards apply - you’ll have to show up our withdraw. Then maybe they can go after you for court costs and damages.

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Well, you’re not going to get me to argue against a single-payer national health plan, since I very much support one. However, the advantage of M4A over ACA+public option was obviously not obvious enough to be an important political talking point, since Sanders and Warren are out and Biden is in.

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Yeah, I wonder if the current situation will make it more obvious, especially with medical salaries getting cut as well. It should be clear that everyone loses under the current system, corporate profits aside.

But, you are probably right. Better to go without shoes myself than to give free shoes to poor people.

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The possibly good news is that Biden has a long tradition of radically changing his position when the situation warrants. For example, he was adamantly opposed to the ACA (for purely political reasons, not because he had any special affection for the status quo) until Obama told him it was going be White House policy, at which point Biden turned into its staunchest advocate, doing much the arm twisting necessary to get it through Congress.

The even-better news is that these changes are usually – not always but usually - in the right direction.

So, even though he now seems to be closed to the idea of M4A, I don’t think the door is really closed on that (or some other version of NHS). In any event, it is irrelevant unless the GOP loses control of the Senate.

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Shouldn’t that headline say “Obama to emerge from his hidey hole today”?

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If he sees his shadow, it’s six more weeks of primaries.

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Crap! That means six more weeks of coronavirus.

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This could be interesting. Time to buy stock in Orville Redenbacher’s:

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A persistent, coherent, and principled critic on the right could do damage.

Why would principles or coherence matter now, all of a sudden?

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It could give people who would categorically never vote for a Democrat an actual alternative on the ballot in November, splitting the R vote between Trump and Amash.

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Yeah, I was just being snarky. Anyone who still identifies as a Republican doesn’t value coherence or principals. But, while I’d vote for any bag of poo that wasn’t Trump, there are people from whom a bag of poo would be OK, as long as it doesn’t have a D on it.

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I worry that those folks had already swallowed their pride and planned to vote for Biden. Certainly, many of the more intelligent conservatives in my network were planning to, and about half of them voted for Trump in ‘16.

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Is there some context to this? If someone asked her in an interview if she’d be a good running mate, and she replied “I would be an excellent running mate because I’d help get the base on board for the election, and provide an important voice in the administration for a traditionally disenfranchised sector of the American public” then that would be great. If she just tweeted this as a single sentence in isolation, I’m not so sure.

It’s almost like you could read the first paragraph of the linked article and find out.

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