2020 Election Thread (formerly: 2020 Presidential Candidates Thread) (Part 1)

In precisely the same way, healthcare for pregnant women is entirely contained within healthcare for pregnant people. The latter phrase is simply preferable and more economical.

The flip side is that “all lives matter” contains “black lives matter” but the former is a racist touchstone indicating support for police brutality.

Yes politicians have to choose their words carefully. In the interest of that, getting in the habit of saying “pregnant people” is a really good idea because it signals trans inclusiveness to people who are looking for that while it may well go right past people who don’t spend their time thinking about trans rights. The only people you risk putting off are people who do think about trans rights and who do so to hate and oppress trans people. And honestly fuck them. If they call you out they are going to look like bigots and you are going to look sensible.

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Leon Cooperman chokes up while talking about Warren’s wealth tax

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There’s a “click here for Michael Bloomberg” there now too

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He’s right on time with that one:

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Seems to fit with today’s announcement.

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While there is no shortage of things to criticize about Pete, or most of the others, I am not going to make a decision that intensely personal and fraught with fallout as coming out one of them. Speaking as a “yes, I have all the privileges” kind of guy, how any oppressed minority deals with their own life story is not within my purview to comment on.

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Absolutely. But that also means you can’t use this as an example of personal courage to a great degree.

And people should examine what your record is on those issues. Pete only has a 70% rating in the Human Rights Campaign Municipal Equality Index. Did his not being out effect his policy actions when others - both lgbt and not - moved things forward much further - much earlier. Is this a personality trait of a social conservatism that effects his actions in other issues?

From the article:

“ Given Buttigieg came out at the age of 33, when other LGBT people — even his own age — had come out earlier and made contributions to the LGBT movement, the Blade asked the candidate whether he thinks he’d bring the experience of activists who had fought for LGBT rights to the White House.”

About Mike Pence’s anti lgbt law:

“ Although Buttigieg kept quiet about his sexual orientation until one month after Pence signed the “fix,” the candidate said he “didn’t miss any opportunity to make an impact.”

“I was one of the leading voices to push back on it,” Buttigieg said. “I don’t know what would have happened if I had come out in the middle of that, but I’m guessing it would have been more about me and less about why the policy was terrible.”

“ (Despite Buttigieg’s assertion he was a leading voice against the law, a report in the Associated Press concluded he hedged that criticism with efforts to collaborate with Pence in his capacity as governor. At the time, Buttigieg was critical of state lawmakers over the religious freedom law and tweeted he was “disappointed” with Pence, but several weeks later attended a Pence event in South Bend.)”

As we say in the trans community- in this culture- transition is never over. You’re not allowed that. But people are at different stages in life and this can effect how they view and act on problems and goals. Timidity on social issues doesn’t just effect one part of ones life. It’s a large part of who you are.

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Huh - all the Dem front runners are electable.

Whoulda thunk?

The poll tested the perceived “electability” of eight candidates among Democratic voters. While Biden remains the candidate seen as having the best chance of beating Trump next year, both Warren and Sanders have narrowed the gap. When asked to rate Biden on a scale from 0 (would definitely lose to Trump) to 10 (would definitely defeat Trump), 51% of Democratic voters give him an 8, 9 or 10 and just 11% score him less than 5. His average score is 7.3. In June, 59% gave Biden a high score and 9% gave him a low score, for an average of 7.7.

Warren averages 7.1, which is up from a 6.4 score in June. This includes 49% who give her an electability rating of 8 to 10 (up from 32%) and 11% below 5 (down from 16%). Sanders averages 7.0, which is up from a 6.5 score in June. This includes 48% who give him an electability rating of 8 to 10 (up from 39%) and 10% below 5 (down from 17%).

Electability ratings for other candidates have dropped slightly. This includes Harris with an average score of 5.5, down from 6.0 in June. Just 20% give her a score of 8 to 10 (down from 24%) and 29% rate her below 5 (up from 20%). Buttigieg earns a 5.3 electability rating (down from 5.6), Booker gets a 5.2 rating (from 5.3), and Klobuchar has a 4.5 rating (from 4.7). Yang also has a 4.5 rating, although he was not included in the June poll.

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The “very unfavorable” ratings in that poll are worrying.

are those sorts of polls even worth anything? like “who do you think has a chance of winning” seems like you’re just asking for a lot if dumb uneducated guesses. you’re better off doing an actual poll where you ask “would you vote for X candidate vs Trump” and see who can beat him. Like what the heck is the point of a poll asking what you think other people think when you can just ask a large number of people what they think themselves??

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They have the value of shutting people up with their bullshit electability dissembling over progressive candidates.

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Sure, it doesn’t, handsy Uncle Joe.

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Sounds good to me, Joe.

“Over and over,” the email said, “we are told that women are not allowed to be angry. It makes us unattractive to powerful men who want us to be quiet.”

“…Well, I am angry and I own it. I’m angry on behalf of everyone who is hurt by Trump’s government, our rigged economy, and business as usual.”

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