2020 Uprising: Enough is Enough

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(Sorry, I just wanted to use @KathyPartdeux’s awesome Swear Trek gif. Your guess is as good as mine.)

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Then it is a terrible marketing blunder to call it something that is not and that it is only going to help others to reject it outright. For the record, I agree with every one of the proposals in the table that you mention.

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“8 can’t wait” didn’t come from BLM. It came from a Dem establishment think tank. The pushback against it comes primarily from street-level BLM activists.

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An essential part of a molotov is that it has to shatter when you throw it. I’m not seeing much shattering going on.

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Per my last reply to you, I can see arguments both ways. That said, I don’t feel it’s my place to dictate the marketing strategy (it’s a little too close to tone policing for my liking). It’s not that it’s something it isn’t, but what is assumed to be being abolished reflects the privilege people are coming to it.

Personally, my best strategy is to try to simply push the knowledge of what’s actually meant by those using the term, and that’s why I think the chart @Wanderfound is so useful. I’m not saying everyone needs to use the term police abolition, but I don’t consider it my place to tell others not to use it because some people misunderstand it. In the end, I feel the motivation should be to explain the idea rather than the semantics of the term. YMMV.

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https://twitter.com/bishilarious/status/1268965777425657856?s=21

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https://twitter.com/eveewing/status/1269285798601523202?s=21

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Obama and Oprah and DeRay et al are not BLM.

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DeRay is pretty much universally viewed by working class BLM activists as a shameless grifter who coopted the work of genuine activists for personal gain.

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https://twitter.com/keziyahl/status/1268724546762399744?s=21

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Note that smoke bombs were heavily used by the Hong Kong protesters that bipartisan America loves to promote. I suspect that is what the cops have found here.

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I wonder if by “latino americans” they mean spanish speaking americans or citizens of countries in the americas that speak spanish.

It isn’t a surprise, but hopefully it will be another straw on the pile of those that still think the cops are the good guys

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Like Puerto Rico?

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Fun fact; on many life insurance company forms in the US, Puerto Rico is listed as a fucking foreign country.

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Look at the video of protesters meeting with the Mayor of Minneapolis. They clearly want him to defund the police. Presumably, armed police would be replaced with community policing by unarmed workers. I don’t know that that is the solution for every city, but the ones where police have really shown who they are by initiating and escalating violence against protesters, I think abolition in favor of community policing is viable, and probably the only way to restore trust in the police.

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So you are not abolishing the police, you are re-forming it.

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Use the UK as an example. Most patrols are unarmed and carry batons, spray and cuffs. They have radios. If the S hits the F, they call backup immediately. Firearms trained officers swoop in. Why can’t we do the same? Why can’t we train de-escalation? So many what-ifs. But we ain’t doing it right, currently.

I’ll also add that the police are what they are because of the NRA. The NRA has insisted on low regulations on guns. Therefore, the criminals have ready access to high power weapons. And therefore, police have competed to outgun the criminals. So now we have another branch of domestic military.

N.B.: I’m not saying UK police are great. It was just a comparison.

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You’re abolishing the police and then creating a new system which is actually intended to address the problems people think the police are for, rather than being a domestic army whose job is to crack the heads of people we don’t like with a thin veneer of a justification to make it palatable.

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