5 dead and 5 police officers shot in Illinois mass shooting; gunman also dead

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-illinois-shooting/illinois-factory-gunman-killed-five-victims-after-being-fired-idUSKCN1Q50L0

Police are seeking to learn why Martin was not forced to surrender his gun once his felony conviction was revealed. Ziman said disclosure of his conviction should have triggered a revocation of his FOID card, generating a letter instructing him to relinquish his weapon and permit to law enforcement.

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Just saying

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Yeah, it’s bad. I was reading something else that suggested that the reason the couple were targeted was because of a second-hand, possibly anonymous report that someone else had supposedly bought drugs there. If even that much was true, it was apparently good enough “evidence” for these cops to fake a CI buy. I have to also wonder who shot the cops. A no-knock raid could have caused a gun-owning military vet to shoot at unidentified invaders, not even knowing they were cops (happens frequently enough), and/or the cops could have shot each other. (Happened in another case just recently.)
At this point all we really know is some people died because some cops lied.

Yeah, it’s true, they lied about everything else, so why not that? (They also found some “white powder,” which, if it actually turns out to be drugs, is a lot more suspect.)

It’s just that it was such a small amount that it seemed like it actually made their justifications for the raid look suspect, like when the cops kill some innocent person and then dig into their past to show they once had some misdemeanor conviction. I thought if they were going to plant some drugs, it would be more likely to be the drugs they were actually looking for, not drugs that the vast majority of Americans now think should be legal. Also I figure it’s highly likely that if you kick in the door and ransack a random house, the odds aren’t bad that you’d find a personal use quantity somewhere. (Especially for ~60 year olds, as this couple were. That’s apparently the big cannabis-using demographic, now.) I mean, I really wouldn’t be entirely surprised if someone found a small quantity of it in my house, even though I don’t use it, just because someone else might have left it here, in some spot that only a drug sniffing dog could find.

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Apropos people who come to America to acquire guns: recently my sister and her husband played host to an old school friend from Northern Ireland who was now living in America. He and my brother-in-law had used to play golf together (not my thing, but still). Nowadays he had given up golf and joined a gun club. Ever seen a room full of people freeze simultaneously? But he didn’t seem to notice. Then he went on to say how much he admired Trump, and that the only UK paper worth reading was the Daily Mail (the one that most people regard as an untrustworthy news source). And that was the point at which there was a second simultaneous freeze, followed by a slight but perceptible edging away…

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Usually the news stories have all moved on by now…

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Aaargh! Guardian! Letting me down!

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Yeah, I was kinda hoping at some point Xeni would follow up on that because the tone of her post gets it completely wrong, and it’s actually kinda gross now to read through it. All those people shot because of a police culture that won’t even acknowledge that it is it’s own culture that is getting it’s own people killed. Hard to find a more clear example of chickens coming home to roost, but they refuse to see it. Bah.

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What? A mis-print in the Guardian?
(clutches pearls, faints)

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Wow. That is my buddy’s father in law. He redid the floors in my condo. Quirky guy, also built an electric car:

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