Oh, they hate that so much. And there’s so much projection, too.
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I’d think twice about moving my business there. So should you.
Fascinating report. I only read the 2012 version, since it was 335 pages of numbers with an introductory page of text.
It says, in a nutshell, that 86,761 people left their Texas counties and went to some other county to give birth (perhaps because there isn’t any hospital birth center in their own Texas county, or because their hospital is farther away) but meanwhile 94,208 people gave birth in a Texas county where they weren’t resident. This is the last line of the last page, somewhat fittingly.
So we have about 7,447 births to out-of-state residents in the state of Texas (population 26 million plus) in 2012.
But I think it’s pretty safe to assume, under the circumstances, that at least a few of those people were from other US states, or unlucky tourists and foreign workers legally in Texas.
Note the word county not country. The report is about people who give birth outside their Texas county.
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I recently read a book about this and related subjects*, which I recommend. Basically, the Lege knows the demographics of the state, and thus is more accommodating to Latinos than people outside Texas think.
* In general, the failed policies of Texas serve as a model for Federal policies, which then fail, to the great and unfeigned surprise of our political leaders.
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since south texas has been one of the hardest hit areas by the withholding of reproductive services i feel pretty certain the hispanic death rate is right up there too.
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Yep, I fooled myself with that one. Surprisingly, I haven’t been able to find the actual number on the WWW. Maybe someone else has a link which would include resident non-citizens. The only thing I found was this Dallas Evening News report of non-citizen births. It says the source is the Texas Health and Human Services Commission but I couldn’t find that data on its website. http://www.dallasnews.com/news/state/headlines/20100807-Across-Texas-60-000-babies-3859.ece
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It can happen both ways. My brother took on the birth mother of his child as family. She realized she still couldn’t be a mother at that time and gave my brother’s family their child.
I can see how your sentence can be read two ways, depending on where the emphasis is, and I do not think it was meant to be accusatory. Please don’t take this as me speaking directly to you. This is a reminder for those not of adopting families to consider their language and how justifiably sensitive parents can be. I can not describe the insensitivity I have heard from people, all in the name of concern, and all some variation of "but it’s not really your child."
Yes, they really are their child. No, they did not “take” (as in away).
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Boaty McBoatface was already taken.
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I found these interesting and humane when I read them.
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Well, that report talks about the 1.5 million immigrants already in the country, who could have arrived yesterday or ten years ago. So, still no data on “a significant number of foreign mothers going there to give birth”.
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You said that it was “foreign mothers” and that the report didn’t seem to distinguish between different categories of mothers. I pointed out that the report did distinguish, and it wasn’t “foreign” mothers who were dying in the largest numbers.
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Isn’t it interesting that on a thread about poor women dying from lack of access to birth control, abortion, and prenatal care, it becomes very important to take the time to protect the feelings of adoptive parents?
Can’t it at least sometimes be all about the mothers and children instead?
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I agree.
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I don’t want you to pretend to care about my feelings if you don’t care. I appreciate honesty! I’m always honest with you. Please feel free to never mention adoptive parents in this thread again, if you think they are an unwelcome digression, and I will follow suit. I’m strictly playing defense here.
That is what I would prefer.
That newspaper report was given as the source at the other sites (like Stormfront) I found using those numbers. They appear to have been invented out of thin air, as far as I can determine… other sites have differing numbers which also appear to be invented. My own (admittedly cursory) research indicates that birth statistics for the categories of illegal aliens and “foreigners” are simply not kept, and all such numbers are at best estimates. Since most of these estimates are being made by openly racist people and organizations who oppose immigration, it’s hard to respect them without doing far more analysis than I have done.
Personally I have no problem with foreign nationals coming to the USA to give birth, so I have no reason to want to disprove these figures. I am OK with my tax dollars paying to help children and pregnant women regardless of where they’re from. But the numbers appear to be nationalist propaganda spread by racists, as far as I can determine.
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Thinking about it, there were 389,885 children born in Texas back in 2012. So 60,000 would basically be 15%.
15% of all Texas births are to illegal immigrants? That doesn’t scale to the estimated 1.68 illegal immigrants vs. Texas’ 26 million citizens. 6% of the populace are having 15% of the births?
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It’s possible, actually, although unlikely. Hispanic women (the majority of illegals in Texas are believed to be hispanic) have the highest birth rate of any identifiable ethnic group in Texas.
I’d put it in the “extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence” bucket, though. Especially since the State data says that only 7,447 births at most could be to persons residing out-of-state.
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OT…but: A .DOC file? While I recognize that it’s not “unsolicited”, it’s also a great format for carrying various digital horribles.
Unsolicited recommendation: Link to the page instead of the file itself.
https://www.grahamcluley.com/2015/11/stop-clicking-unsolicited-docs-right-stop/
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