9/11 Truthers still not done

That is, in fact, exactly what happened. They just didn’t respond fast enough to make it in time. Frankly I’d probably find it more suspicious if they did manage to react quickly enough to do anything—they’d almost have to have known it was happening in advance.

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Except when it comes to health care. Or email servers. Or protecting ‘Christians’. You know, all the stuff the Tea Party/G.O.P keeps going on about.

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boston to nyc is such a short distance at jumbo jet speeds it did not give them a lot of time to react

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Okay, sounds good. It’s just that when the biggest geopolitical event of recent decades just happens to involve three buildings that–amazingly–implode perfectly into themselves, it just sort of makes people wonder, you know? And you could also sit back and imagine Cheney et.al saying to themselves “Wow–we knew that conservatives would not doubt us, but look at this–we even have liberals foaming at the mouth at the mere mention of a conspiracy. Brilliant!!”

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Damn guinea pigs!! I knew a plane couldn’t bring down a tower!!

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Also consider one other thing - no one expected planes to fly into buildings. That is why no one tried to take over the plane except for the one over PA who had heard of the fate of the other planes. So even if a fighter jet did escort a plane to the WTC, they not necessarily would have shot it down because typically hijackings lead to ransom demands etc. But as you pointed out they didn’t get there in time.

9/11 would never happen again because you wouldn’t keep everyone in their seats this time. A good portion would fight. Hell pre-9/11 I would have had a 3-4" pocket knife on me.

The other thing I find hilarious is the Bush Administration - who everyone thinks was full of idiots - was supposed to pull off such an elaborate scheme with no one blabbing? Clinton couldn’t keep a BLOW JOB secret, for crying out loud. The “controlled” demolition theory is so laughable it’s sad to think people believe it. (And people think I am an anti-government nut, right?)

They didn’t implode, they collapsed. The pull of gravity tends to pull things straight down like that.

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Frankly I see no reason to address each point in detail when someone begins with the premise “I thought this looked like A, so I’m gonna ignore every single expert in the world who says it was B regardless of the evidence they present to support it.” Particularly when each of those points have already been countered in great detail here and elsewhere.

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What’s the saying? “Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead”

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OMG are you saying Clinton was getting even more blowjobs from zombies? That’s a pretty nutty conspiracy theory. And it still makes more sense than the “controlled demolition” nonsense.

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Oh absolutely. If there is anything that the US governments over the years have been less capable of it’s covering up the evil shit they’ve done. It’s been nearly 15 years and not one of the 1000s of people who would have been involved in this elaborate plan have blabbed or been found out.

Also I’m sure that there are various other world governments who would have been quite keen to expose the US government blowing up it’s own citizens.

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When a commercial airliner goes off course, and drops communication, the FAA calls NORAD, and fighter jets are sent to escort it. It’s been that way since I think the 70’s.

Nope. That applied only to aircraft approaching North America. A protection from outside attacks. It did NOT apply to aircraft originating WITHIN North America.

At the time, hijacking meant hostage taking. The standard response was to say “Yes, sir, whatever you say, sir” until the aircraft was on the ground. At that point the special forces types had a good reputation of ensuring that the plane never took off again, with a minimum of passenger casualties. Fighter jets were not part of the equation, because they were of no use.

Once the first jet hit the first tower, everyone knew that the game had changed. But by then it was too late. Fighter jets were scrambled - unarmed, since none were standing by armed - but there was nothing they could do.

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Is this a joke? I can’t tell. You are honestly splitting hairs between implode and collapse? And, smart man, you don’t find it just the teensiest bit weird how they “collapsed” absolutely perfectly into themselves? No, of course you don’t.

OK, I can comply with your format requirements. Least I can do after I unfairly singled you out! :slight_smile:

Freely available video footage of the collapse of the third tower, which was not struck by airplanes and fell into its own footprint. Care to address this in detail?

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So meta my head is imploding, perfectly into itself.

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*crickets*

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I’m not an engineer or a physicist, but luckily real engineers and physicists have already addressed that in great detail. (Short answer: gravity pulls things down.)

Physics aside I’ve yet to hear anything approaching a plausible explanation for WHY anyone would blow up a building with explosives but make it look like it was blown up by planes. Again, it would be far simpler all around to use one technique or the other (blaming terrorists for either the bombing or a hijacking) than to use one and disguise it as the other.

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Well, where else would it go? I’m fairly certain that gravity still points straight towards the centre of this big old sphere, even in New York.

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A bit weird - but what did you expect? I mean if it was faked, why would they make it fall right on itself? An off set explosion making it tip would have caused even more carnage and caused even more outrage and killed even more people. But just because something looked “weird” or was unexpected doesn’t mean something nefarious happened.

This has never happened before. The only thing most of us can reference is watching a controlled explosion. But just because it LOOKED similar, doesn’t make it the same thing. I just saw a video of a building in the Middle East some where that was being constructed, when over half of it cracked off and fell down. No explosions needed. It lost it’s structure somewhere and one one layer goes, it all goes.

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No, no, no. The temperatures did not reach the melting point of steel. All sides acknowledge this. But they did not have to. All they had to do is reach a sufficient temperature and burn for sufficient time to weaken the structure [stripped of its fire retardant due to the crash/explosion] such that it could sag and catastrophically fail on one floor, which would then cause the “pancaking” failure that was observed.

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So after all these replies and clarifications and facts, how many troofers in the thread have changed their mind?

How many are going to stop repeating the same bullshit? No, the goalposts keep shifting and they find new narratives. I bet not as small number are also similar pseudoskeptics about vaccines.

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