Strong points, and well expressed.
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Nice idea. Maybe you can persuade the people who attacked me for a year, eventually forcing me to leave the city I grew up in. Good luck though, they were the kind of people who put British National Party posters in their windows.
Seriously though, It seems like the first part of what youāre suggesting starts āAssume we are in a utopiaā¦ā I have had to deal with the same problem in marxists and anarchists who think that after the revolution things will be better for everyone without actually doing anything to cause things to be better.
Come back to me with the missing first steps to make it work in the real world.
Update:
It just occured to me that you say you want to
distance the movement from radicals
So, who gets to decide who is a radical? Would I be welcome as an anarcho-communist? Or is this just a dog whistle term for SJWs (who arenāt usually all that radical)?
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For those who are still confused by the adjective āredpill,ā I offer this Dr. Nerdlove link.
The Red Pill is, for all intents and purposes, what happens when the pick-up community decides that it hates women.
So, in this context, the adjective āredpillā is describing the subgroup of the political right that, at best, snicker at the term āfeminaziā and, at worst, want to retract voting rights for women.
#notallconservatives
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Hey! This stick up my ass isnāt going to conserve itself!
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Iām sorry to hear that you suffered personally.
I donāt really feel the need to convince you and I understand where youāre coming from. I happen to think youāre ultimately wrong, but who knowsā¦I feel that you think itās more important to change the system in the short run, I think itās more important to build a system that will produce good outcomes in the long run, regardless of whether my concrete political opinions happen to be right or wrong. I do understand that thereās a tradeoff here, and Iām not 100% convinced Iām on the right side of it. Having said that, within my own limited ability to make sense of the world, I think that the values I stand for are important, and I will oppose any movement that uses means which violate my values, no matter if itās the BNP or the social justice movement.
I stand for reason, evidence-based discourse, checking ideas by public debate and erring on the side of kindness first, after that my views are fairly left-wing (even though Iād oppose your revolution). If a segment of the political left rejects me for that, or demonizes me as a misogynist shitlord who ought to die a horrible death (I had some lovely debates with SJWs), then that group wonāt be getting any support from me. Further, if they manage to antagonize me, whoās an ideological ally on pretty much all questions that may realistically come up in mainstream politics, I have an inkling that their views wonāt go down well with the population at large.
So, who gets to decide who is a radical?
I think Iād call you a radical if you thought it was perfectly unproblematic to deceive or manipulate people to reach your political goals or if you would force your vision of a perfect world against the will of the population at large. Also, Iād say not considering the possibility/cost of being wrong is a bad sign.
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I like Sir Pterry, but endarkenment predates him.
Interesting. So its right in line with the incompetant irony of the right.
Iām on mobile and never use spellcheck. So glad to make your shitposting experience soā¦ adequate.
That describes mainstream politics in a nutshell.
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Well, itās a matter of degree. Clearly, our political system is somewhat screwed up, but that doesnāt mean democracy has completely stopped functioning. Believing that the political system is corrupt doesnāt imply that we have to embrace āby all means necessaryā movements. I find it unlikely that weāll make a lot of enduring progress by introducing more dishonesty, bad thinking, corruption and violence into the system, regardless of which direction itās aimed at.
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Thatās very cool, but Iām somehow not surprised - Pterry has a knack for finding lesser known/forgotten things from history or folklore and incorporating them in his work. I seem to remember him writing a foreword to Brewerās Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, so heās probably forgotten more historical titbits than Iāll ever know.
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This is a very sensible point as it emphasises the socio-economic underpinnings of the problems in the US. Iāll also make the point that the dominance of the US hasnāt been a great thing for the rest of us either.
But I canāt like the whole post. 
I have no idea what itās like to live in US society ā Iāve only visited, met individual Americans and get to watch the less than benign effects of US foreign policy on the world. It may be entirely true that in the US being white and male is indeed so uniformly awesome that it means all white males get to start playing with a stacked deck and a great hand. In which case, American white males probably deserve shouting down. But I know that isnāt the case elsewhere in the world and this is an international list.
In the UK and NZ (the two countries I have most firsthand experience and knowledge of) the disadvantages of socio-economic class and parental income at birth outweigh the effects of race and gender āand currently, in terms of educational success, being born male is a disadvantage. In these countries if you start poor, white and male the odds of improving your lot in life are worse than if youāre of any other group, other than poor black and male in the UK (who do equally badly in the educational attainment stats there); or poor MÄori males in NZ (who do worse, but with the differences in attainment between them and poor whites being nullified if they have middle income earning parents).
Now before the reflex snark about me being white and male and needing to check my privilege, think on this. I have plenty of privilege now āand thatās how I have the ability to post. It wasnāt always thus ā Iām a lucky social climber from poor white trash and had sweet FA chances until I discovered a free public library. Now I find my demographic of origin is doubly disenfranchised because they donāt have a voice in these kind of discussions and because anyone who comes out of that group who is able to speak up is disregarded because (how ironic) of their gender, colour and ability to pass as middle class.
My take on all this is that weāre just ignoring the massive elephant in the room, which is the level of socio-economic inequality in most of our nations. Arguing solely about race and gender amounts to fighting over who gets what share of the scraps left by the super rich and itās just playing into their hands. And their austerity measures mean free public libraries are getting harder to find and Iām not one to pull up the ladder after me ā¦ 
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To be clear, I was talking about people who whine about being oppressed for being white in discussions of race, for being male in discussions of gender, and so on.
There is a distinct lack of discussion of class and poverty on Tumblr and elsewhere. I definitely agree with you there.
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Fair enough.
But problems that people face are multifactorial. If some viewpoints in discussions about things that are part of the human condition are shut down merely because of the race and gender of the poster then relevant factors are missed.
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Thatās a lot of words to spin up a false equivalence.
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No, theyāre not disregarded just because of who and what they are ā what they often say is often disregarded.
Plenty of white men make good and appreciated contributions to various battles for equality. Theyāre the ones who are not disregarded, because they have useful things to say, and they usually manage to say useful things because theyāve also managed to acquire some accurate self-awareness.
(Howās that for a lack of āreflexive snarkā?)
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Well, to be fair, cis men are more likely to suffer violence or involuntary homelessness than similarly-situated cis womyn.
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MRAs reject the feminist idea of patriarchyāthe idea that male chauvinism is perpetuated not by intent, but by internalized, unconscious behaviorāas a conspiracy theory
MRAs and others are against this idea not because they are all bigots (many are) but because you cannot solve a problem rooted in the unconscious part of the brain without some form of mind control, which will be done by the state, thru education or other means. Trying to build a new type of human thru brainwashing and manipulation is the motto of all socialist Marxist systems, so we call people that believe in such thing social Marxists.
Once we apply the scientific method to sociology (which hasnāt been done yet) maybe this idea will be validated, until then, i will not allow the people who wrote the āSCUM manifestoā brainwash my children in the name of an unproven idea.
Thereās this amazing process in which one can become conscious of unconscious processes, and so change them. Itās called learning.
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