A beginner's guide to the Redpill Right

[anon73629133]

hahahahha -googles- hahahah

[daneel]

Yeah, I just saw those.

[brian_carnell]

In economics, gambling and investment schemes of all sorts appear in
Redpill communities, most prominently ones surrounding digital
currencies such as Bitcoin. Despite nearly every Bitcoin exchange
failing under shady circumstances, Bitcoin buyers flocked to ponzi
scheme after ponzi scheme, convinced that their superior understanding
of economics would protect them.

Redpillers also put their money in banks. Despite nearly every major bank failing under shady circumstances and having to be bailed out by the government, they continue to put their money in these ponzi-scheme like institutions, convinced that their superior understanding of economics would protect them.

[brian_carnell]

How can someone describe themselves as a feminist writer and never have heard of biological essentialism.

[LDoBe]

@FoolishOwl

The funny thing to me now is that I’d mention this to people at the time, and they doubted these people could be real, since libertarianism and aristocracy seemed self-evidently to be direct contradictions. But it’s become an increasingly popular set of ideas in some circles, apparently.

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Libertarianism is basically synonymous with Anarchy for Rich People. How else could a libertarian political sphere be transitioned to without the rich aristocracy simply being more able to afford to “liberate” all the political power from the poorer masses with mercenary armies?

[pickleschlitz]

The opposite of Meritocracy is Entitlement.

[anon15383236]

@LDoBe

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Libertarianism is basically synonymous with Anarchy for Rich People.

Well, the sad problem is, that fact is NOT common knowledge. A lot of rich fucks know it, but they also know they have to hide it from the regular schmucks. And so, by using some small portion of their money mountains, they do.

[LDoBe]

I’m not so sure of that. I’d say a more accurate way of putting it is:

The opposite of meritocracy is favoritism.

And these fascist blowhards pretty much are the pinnacle of favoritism.

[popobawa4u]

@LDoBe

I thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Libertarianism is basically synonymous with Anarchy for Rich People.

That’s not all what Libertarianism means for many. For me Libertarianism is a strictly egalitarian thing. Like an overall anarchy where the only government is voluntary government.

@LDoBe

How else could a libertarian political sphere be transitioned to without the rich aristocracy simply being more able to afford to “liberate” all the political power from the poorer masses with mercenary armies?

Quite easily, because their “wealth” is fraudulent. Their money only works if people are suckers enough to take it. When anybody can have their own country, or their company, what would anyone need those people for?

[LDoBe]

@popobawa4u

Their money only works if people are suckers enough to take it.

Since the mechanically easiest way to get stuff necessary for survival at this moment is to trade money for it, most people are willing to do stuff for money, whether or not it’s actually of any intrinsic value.

The current government is never going to hand over the keys for all its nuclear weapons to some collective of citizens and just say “have fun figuring out how to use them appropriately”. The government isn’t going to just roll over and be decommissioned either. Libertarianism in its currently most popular paradigm only exists with as much popular support as it does is because so many people believe they can be rich (in whatever sense that means) and happy without doing anything to make that happen.

---

In other words, the popular understanding of Libertarianism in the US is a kind of plutocratic fascism that only sustains popularity because the monetarily rich have managed to trick a lot of people into believing they’re temporarily embarrassed millionaires, and it’s only a matter of time until they get their share in a big pile of money that already belongs to the monetarily wealthiest people in the world, and no longer drives the economy anyway. Money that doesn’t do work. Like the world’s most insidious dead battery.

[mewyn]

@scottbp

In this example the writer complains that the red pill people think women and PoC “must have cheated” meaning in this case using the politically correct system. Then the writer says men only do better due to systemic reasons.

Not exactly, while the author was a bit more hyberbolic than should be there; white men have the odds stacked greatly in their favor. All the other groups mentioned don’t have that leg up, and often have to fight through wades of not only having to do just a good job, but proving it all along the way to people who may not give a woman or PoC the same consideration as a white man. This is a lot of ingrained bias, and many people don’t even think of it. I’ve seen it in actions when female coworkers get just that bit extra scrutiny that males don’t get, or the same with PoC. It’s something I try to watch for all the time, and try not to fall in myself.

[popobawa4u]

@LDoBe

the mechanically easiest way to get stuff necessary for survival at this moment is to trade money for it

You forgot a few steps!

1. ???
2. Profit!
3. Trade money

[OtherMichael]

You seem entitled to false dichotomies.

[LDoBe]

Usually it goes:

1. Do things in order to gain money from some rich person or corporation
2. Trade that money for things like food and healthcare. Because you can’t steal healthcare, and stealing food usually means going to jail or losing a lot of money, thereby reducing your ability to survive through commerce.
3. There is no profit for 99.99% of people, and trying to do things any other way means encountering violence.

[popobawa4u]

1. But before doing things, you’d need to negotiate the worth of what both parties have to contribute. This is where most people fail. Not because there is anything wrong with exchange for money itself. Don’t work for or serve under people who refuse to negotiate a fair deal. People say it sounds naive, but I think it’s less naive than people selling their family into indentured servitude and then crying about it.

2. That works. But if your skills are worth anything, then you already have something to trade. If what you do has value, what’s the problem?

3. Sure. But the trick is - it’s still living under violence even if you go along with it. I abhor violence, but if somebody is trying to exploit you, dominate you, enslave your family - they are bringing the violence to you. So you are already encountering this.

[LDoBe]

@popobawa4u

Don’t work for or serve under people who refuse to negotiate a fair deal.

Negotiation requires some modicum of mutual respect and a balance of power. The thing is, even if I have valuable skills, in the current economy, there are dozens of other people within a few miles who also have those skills and want that same job. In fact there’s a lot more people than there are jobs to do. Which means that people don’t have power or even the semblance of equality at the negotiating table, because for any given job (unless you’re a celebrity, or notorious for a long and celebrated career), you’re completely interchangeable with a dozen other people who will do what you would, except for very slightly less money than you would.

Enjoy negotiating when you have zero leverage.

---

ETA: I spent 5 years after college attempting to get a job in my field of expertise, offering to do it for minimum wage. Negotiating is stupid when you’ve been ignored and turned down literally thousands of times. You come to realize that you, and humans in general aren’t worth shit to a corporation. Humans are all interchangeable bio-mechanical robots to a corporation, especially the young humans who haven’t yet had an opportunity to prove themselves. Those humans are required, in order to live independent lives and participate in social discourse, to sign their loyalty to a company and promise to be an obedient slave, lest they are forced to live on the street in squalor, then die in the gutter like a dog.

[anon15383236]

Anyone else starting to catch a whiff of derailment up in here?

[popobawa4u]

@anon15383236

Anyone else starting to catch a whiff of derailment up in here?

I wonder! How could we find out if anyone else does? Would their names be posted on the internet somewhere?

What’s wrong, fo you not find the discussion of Libertarianism in theory and practice relevant to the topic at hand?

[popobawa4u]

@LDoBe

You come to realize that you, and humans in general aren’t worth shit to a corporation.

It’s a two-way street. What is such a corporation worth to you?

Part of the problem I think is the capitalist fable being used to keep people busy. In a largely automated society, it is possible that there simply aren’t many tasks which need doing. Also, to a goal-oriented person, putting yourself out of work can be considered a success. Mission accomplished! Contemporary philosophy is to milk a job forever and thus never achieve any goal larger than a hamster wheel. It breeds both a lust for and fear of success.

The “interchangeability” you mention is part of the scam. People going to similar institutions, to be trained in similar skills, to find positions doing similar work. What could go wrong? This kind of security is a lie. I think it’s better to go long odds, learn to do something others aren’t doing, and then do it anyway, whether people like it / pay you or not. Better to have a chance to make your own path than jockey for the same position against 50,000 other people.

Corporate culture is expert at activating people’s survival instincts to elicit fear and compliance. A great antidote is some kind of survival activity, such as camping, Knowing that you can be comfortable without a $300,000 roof over your head is a very empowering feeling. People are programmed to see homelessness as failure, but nomadic people seem to like it just fine, it’s a cultural thing. If the streets are squalid, why not take a few years off to clean them? It’s the scary flip side to meritocracy the teabaggers don’t teach you. That you survive on your own wits. Until you can’t. Twas ever thus.

[LDoBe]

I have health expenses. Ones that if they aren’t addressed, the probability that I die skyrocket. Ones that are very expensive monetarily, and don’t have alternative treatments. If I don’t participate long-term, in commerce I’m going to, in fact, die in all likelihood. I could spend a week or two out on the streets, or perhaps several months in a tent in a park somewhere. I’m an Eagle scout, I know how to survive just fine. In fact I have extensive training in woodcraft, and snow camping and such. But without my treatment, which is rather expensive, without consistent medical care from real doctors with medical degrees and massive student debt of their own, who simply do not work for no money, I can’t really expect to survive beyond a few months to a few years.

It isn’t fair to expect everyone to be healthy without help. Someone must pay for healthcare in my short-term, otherwise, I don’t exist long-term. I’d prefer that heathcare be a human right, like it is in all the other civilized countries, but instead I pay for it along with a tranche of other people, or nobody pays for it, and I don’t get any healthcare.