“hotwife” is not really considered separate from cuckolding. It’s a word used largely within the cuckolding community. No one who uses the term “hotwife” will deny being a cuckold. Whether someone is into raceplay or not doesn’t really factor in. At least not from what I’ve seen in online communities.
I’ll respond to a few points.
While there is certainly some porn that plays on the stereotype of black male thugs, the white male cuckold is also typically stereotyped as being weak and submissive. No one is given a thorough backstory. They are all used as props and based on sterotypes. I’m not so much disagreeing with you but simply pointing out that the white man can also be said to be based on negative assumptions in most cuckold porn. As for it catering to white guys, well, it be kind of hard not to, wouldn’t it, for those that like that kind of thing? I mean, I’ve never seen a cuckold video I didn’t like so I’m certainly up for any kind of experimentation or change.
Also I’m not sure how much cuckold porn influences the negative thinking of the alt-right weirdos but I do know that white men being racist and paranoid about white women sleeping with black men is nothing new and it existed before the advent of internet pornography. Cuckold porn certainly can’t be said to have caused these men’s deranged mindset. A lot of men can enjoy the cuckold fantasy in porn without becoming racist on the internet. For those who can’t handle it then I would suggest they stop watching it and seek help.
Wasn’t arguing that it did. In fact I indicated that it goes the other way around. Though these same groups point to said porn as justification, criticize said porn for all its bad miscegenation, and publicly attack white female performers who make it. Which is what I meant when by them being partially fed by it. Even as they quite obviously drive its popularity.
In terms of the material itself. Honestly not neccisarily bad in itself per se. People sexualize all sorts of things. And generally deserve to get their rocks off.
But there’s a couple things. First is the very, very narrow focus on the pleasure of one very specific participant. Sometimes (or even often) to the exclusion of the pleasure (or even interest) of the others. That’s where my “dudes high fiving” example comes in. When a piece of heterosexual porn is focused narrowly on how awsome the man in the situation is, sometimes to the point of barely showing the woman, something is weird. This newish boom in interracial and cuckold porn features a similarly narrow focus on how black the man involved is.
Second are the well attested prejudice and race problems the porn industry has. Even as the popularity of these things rise, there’s a massive backlash (often from the same groups driving it) against the performers making it. Which reinforces the payment and reputation problems the industry self imposed.
But I think the big one, as is often the case, is pervasiveness. That this porno exists is not the issue. But its increasingly the default paradigm for material in these genres. And many that may cross over with them in terms of interests, performers, or production companies. And as I mentioned has a weird tendency to creep into unrelated material.
So you end up with a situation where the default role for a black people in porn is largely as sexualized props for the pleasure of white men. In a way that makes it unlikely that anyone but white men will find much of that appealingly. And where the people not interested in this particular fetish (which would likely be most) find it difficult sometimes to find material that doesn’t feature it in some way. Which is disturbing. Not least because of the real human effects on the real humans who make it.
But like said the source for the “cuck” meme is the deeper end of the conservative web. The pervasiveness of the porn seems driven by their unique obsession with sexualizing non-whites and demonizing\obsessing over promiscuous women. But like wise the porn itself justifies and feeds the argument, and inspired the use off the cuckold terminology. Its one big, weird, white power circle jerk. I’ve even noticed a huge uptick the last year or so in videos featuring solo, fully clad women “hypnotizing” the viewer into loving black schwanz. Different fetish all together but closely tied into the same approaches.
And I’m not into any of this stuff, and yet I see it everywhere. I have to work to avoid it. And porn has problems of this sort in more than just a race direction.
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Thanks for the additional context.
I am not very much into porn, but when I get some it tends to be by independent people who make and distribute it themselves. Not unlike with music and movies, I often forget that there is an industry pushing “mainstream” content upon people, and really wonder why anybody who cares about media bothers with it instead of going to the source.
It seems a bit twisted how you describe racial cuck porn as being for the enjoyment of the white male spectator who views it with outrage. Sounds like “enjoyment” with some heavy-duty air quotes.
A couple of weeks ago was the first time I ever saw any “hypno” porn. Somebody on a board linked me to some videos, and they had lots of corny swirls and faux subliminals like from a 1970 spy movie brainwash experiment. This stuff was “sissy” hypno, which I found pretty clueless and offensive to my tastes. It was encouraging feminization of men but with a lot of underlying misogyny. Suggestions such as “take it like the worthless pussy you are”. It seemed pretty all-around disempowering to everybody! People seem to be really hung up on disrespect and feelings of inadequacy.
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Plenty of people enjoy disempowering through submission. This is itself play, and not generally the whole of what they want from life and feel about themselves.
I can appreciate that in the abstract, but I don’t relate or see the appeal myself. Not that I need to. The various power exchange kinds of play impress me as being about the least sexy thing imaginable, but that’s probably my relentless egalitarianism showing.
This is largely because I don’t even see dominance or submission as representing real categories of experience. Not unlike some Christian/Satanist dichotomy. To me it’s “why bother imagining something like that?”, but it can seem so real to those who are caught up in it that they cannot conceive of a role outside of this. That’s pretty much how I feel about race also! I have only so much time and cognitive attention, so I try to favor social models which seem to me more practical.
Frankly I’m about as into porn as your average person, but I find the subject and criticism of the industry interesting for less prurient reasons. So I tend to know a confusing amount about subjects or material I don’t particularly care for. A fair bit of it comes out of "hey lets watch a bunch of lectures about human sexuality!’ “Or lets binge read Dan Savage” or “Lets discuss the ethics of fucking down the bar!” impulse. But sometimes I get curious and sometimes I get mislead about or don’t realize what I’m clicking on and end up saying “so that’s a thing”.
So weird thing with those mind controlly “black cock worship” (I think thats the genre title) videos. There has apparently been a big shift in the Porn industry (for various reasons I’d love to drone on about but won’t) towards performers. Particularly younger women. Operating based on independent production, through webcams, Reddit and direct resale sites. The element I mentioned seems to come out of there. So while they’re similar to hypnosis fetish videos I’ve run across before, they’re a bit different. No swirling or chanting or typical hypnosis features. You’ve got a usually fully dressed woman in an empty room, telling you all about x, y, or z. Its as simple as that And the race-play ones aren’t the only version. There’s the sissy thing, cuckolding. Very similar videos instructing you on how to… go about your business. Concurrently there seems to have been a big uptick in certain “fetish” topics, often through these same sorts of independent producers. Apparently there’s good money in catering to fairly specific fetishes that sort of fall through the mainstream cracks. So a lot of incest, dom/sub things, cosplay related stuff, there seems to be a surprising amount of diaper fetish stuff out there. Basically a mixed bag of classic outre fetish material. But as I mentioned before a lot of it seems to be getting crowded out by a weirdly specific version of the interracial thing. The very specificity is part of what confuses me. Its technically a hypnosis video, or billed as such, but (apparently?) lacks many features of what would appeal to those fetishist. Its got elements of the sissy thing, but often lacks elements that would appeal to the dedicated sissy. And so on and so forth. And its got this really narrow focus on a very particular kind of race play. Even in the few I’ve bothered to actually view to the point of using alt-right jargon. And again. Pervasiveness. There seems to be an awful lot of it, often popping up unexpectedly, in areas where fetish material is less common or unexpected, and to the exclusion of other variations on the material.
Now I suppose the specificity is more understandable coming from that source. Apparently a good portion of that material is actually made for a specific person as a custom order. And then either leaked or re-sold. But there’s a weird sort of internal consistency to it. One that’s entirely in line with the other material being criticized here.
Though I can’t be entirely sure that the fact that I’ve seen all this stuff for myself isn’t an artifact of where and how I get my porn, and who I hang out with IRL. But what I’ve experienced myself lines up rather well with a lot of the coverage, analysis, and criticism I’ve seen in the parts web and media that are interested in covering these subjects seriously for non-filthy reasons.
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Well, submissive partners aren’t unequal, and any of these practices aren’t at odds with egalitarianism. I can certainly understand why it doesn’t appeal to some (and there can be abusive people drawn to these scenes on the specific dating sites who aren’t truly play-acting), but it’s generally one party luxuriating and giving attention to the other party.
The humiliation play I can’t describe from personal experience, but people channel and compartmentalize their neuroticisms in whatever way pleases them. Raceplay generally gets a sideeye as there’s plenty of noncathartic media out there, but I see no reason to pass judgment on every single person to person who consensually participates, I don’t know peoples’ stories. The sissy niche, I don’t even know if there’s one strain. Greater acceptance of trans culture? (Even though I doubt the main partakers would consider themselves so), more genderfluidity in public? Backlash against toxic masculinity?
Plenty of subjects that are well above my paygrade and in which case even Dan Savage relies on experts to even conceptualize properly.
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Well, the emergence of indie clips sites and specific fetish material have developed hand in hand. You have independent sex workers who can produce their product at home, with their own cameras, control their own brand through Twitter and whatever other chat apps, and not have to worry about billing access.
The popularity of the fantasy stuff is due to it being nonpenetrative and not as physically taxing (or risky), and simply due to it being a market where people are more likely to pay for custom specific content a few minutes at a time versus the wealth of sex videos of all variety available free on the Internet both through torrents and stream sites.
I do know persons who work for the payments industry, and from bank to bank, some dislike even the “hypnosis” fakes due to brand risk management, even blatantly simulated nonconsent is something they ban clearly in terms of service.
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