A juicer that won't make juice unless the produce is marked with special code [Updated]

The co2 cartridge soda bottles were a bit hard to find at the time that Soda Stream launched. IIRC there were only a few manufacturers of them left. They weren’t distributed in many countries (including the US) And quality ones were $$$ even when you could find them. Also soda stream’s model was about cheaply creating name brand soda knock offs at home not making seltzer. You can’t really get soda syrups outside whole sale quantities in many places.

Turns out most people used them for seltzer. And the soda bottles have used the renewed interest from Soda Stream to get on shelves cheaper and more convenient to use.

Though those arent traditional soda bottles. Traditional soda siphons are filled/refilled by a seltzer company using big, old fashioned machinery. They use carbonation pressures that Soda Stream and the cartridge bottles can’t match, producing better, more aggressively carbonated seltzer.

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Re: soda stream. I picked up one cheap a long time ago, because I was curious. I have never delt with truly industrial size levels of gas, but yeah, my AirGas guy (Jim) knew each other.

Anyway, long story short. To make a properly fizzy drink you need one of two things:

  • Time to let it carbonate on its own. Which, if isn’t obvious, takes time.
  • A serious setup that allows pressures that most incompressible liquids find appaling.

I will likely try soda stream again some day. I don’t believe this problem is insurmountable. And I also think they deliver, barely, on what they say.

So no hard feelings Soda Stream. I’d love to reconnect in a few years.

You can still get traditional seltzer service (and Italian syrups) everywhere I’ve lived, but I admit I’m spoiled. I also don’t remember a time when there weren’t cartridge siphons available at BevMo, housewares stores, nice liquor stores, and even hardware stores.

I’d much rather have something like this in my kitchen/bar than some cheap looking plastic thing:

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You can (sort of) get much better seltzer out of the soda stream with a few tricks. First is getting the water crazy cold. The second is to use 6-10 “pumps” of gas. Which is double or more whats called out as safe in the manual. You’ve got to unscrew the bottle really slowly to vent off the excess gas without spraying seltzer everywhere.

It’ll be much more aggressively carbonated. But that carbonation is short lived, goes flat at the drop of a hat. Given that the best thing about Soda stream is probably the large capacity of the co2 tank. Well you’ve got to use twice as much as recommended. And make fresh for nearly every glass/serving. It sort of becomes a wash.

Italian syrups are certainly pretty widely available. But you aren’t getting Mountain Dew or Coke that way.

As for the availability of the bottles. I occasionally saw them around. Once in a great long while for vast amounts of money in yuppie kitchen stores. But more commonly in restaurant supply stores. I never knew if the catalog ready yuppie shop ones were any good. But the ones in the resto-stores and the few other places I ran into them were not. The same handful of discount commercial brands. The few times I actually tried to use them they did not work out of the box or broke rapidly after opening. Looking into it around the time Soda Stream launched (in order to prove how stupid it was) it looked there there were only 2 brands of durable, usable, well made cartridge bottles distributed in the US. And they weren’t easy to find, and weren’t cheap. Even online. Some other countries that kept the tradition alive (especially Italy and certain parts of Asia) had better selection and were the source for more affordable good bottles. But distribution seemed haphazard. The cheap industrial ones don’t seem to make seltzer that’s any better than Soda Steams, even now.

As for seltzer service? I have always lived in the NE. Often in or around NYC. Seltzer consumption here is relatively absurd. So much so that there are multiple national or regional brands, not made or sold in NY. That call themselves out as NY Seltzer. Point being its a thing here. Up until very recently there was only one still operating soda siphon service in NYC limits. Their delivery area was at first very small, and then they shut down delivery so it was pick up only. They were staring at the shut down of their business. Not because of lack of customers, in fact they couldn’t keep up with demand thanks to the craft cocktail boom. But because of the machinery. Noone’s made any proper soda siphon filling equipment in damn near 100 years. Apparently most seltzer services in the US disappeared from the 80’s through the 90’s for this exact reason. There are no parts. There are no replacements if a machine kicks the bucket. So while I’m sure there was something hanging around where ever you’ve been living at. Its not likely there were a lot of them, or that they were servicing a large area.

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Why on earth would I want Mountain Dew or Coke when I could make, I dunno, lemon-basil soda? Or blackcurrant-aquavit soda? Or anything else at all?

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The only problem I have with this statement is that as far as I’m concerned, serious juicers are doing green veggie juices with only a maybe small amount of apple or something for taste, but extremely small amount versus things like:

kale
spinach
salad greens/lettuces
carrots
celery
broccoli
beets (mmm!)
maybe a tad of ginger

The above basically resembles the juices I’ve made, and what a lot of people who I think you could say are “into” juicing are all about. Man, I need to buy some damn produce and get back to it. Oh, great way to lose weight btw, you can literally drink meals of pure vegetable matter. And can be very low-cal!

Pure fruit juices are dessert, for the reason you mention.

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Not disagreeing. But soda stream’s whole business model was giving you that cheaper. That lured a lot of people early, And the old school bottles couldn’t offer that. In the long run turns out people actually wanted fresh seltzer, And they don’t do that too well. I can’t imagine them sticking around. All it would take is some one to offer a more durable, fairly priced option that makes the good shit. And to apply soda streams level of marketing to it.

ETA: the only other real innovation soda steam offers is their gas tank. It’s much, much larger than a cartridge. While being cheaper than even a small proper tank w/regulator. And there’s that nice return/recycle thing. Discount on a new one for returning the old. But, it’s still too expensive. Standard co2 fill places work on a rent and swap model. Which is cheaper than soda stream for a full, often including the rental in the tank. And those places are way easier to find than places that’ll sell you a tank and fill it in house. And stores that sell and accept returns on soda stream tanks are incredibly limited. Just a Bed Bath and Beyond 30 minutes away for me. The proprietary nature combined with limited distribution really screws up what could have been a nice feature.

And in Intergalactic Space Juice flavour.

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No arguments. Price per fizz is waaay better with a 5lbs/20lbs tank, a proper regulator, and steel containers. I understand that is the engineer in me, however I have been putting bubbles in things for two decades.

Wait, that turn of phrase sounds… Weird. :grinning:

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I need an entire room for making my fizzy drinks, but they are a bit too powerful.

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What denatures (unfolds them so that enzymes can get to their targets) the proteins past the stomach?

I don’t see pepsin involved in your description… How does pepsin activate enzymes?
Most of what you described is basic physiology and nothing that I argued against.

The supplement part was giving an example of enzymes that have been selected to survive the stomach – the rest of the article was about the whole foods enzymes getting denatured by the stomach.

In particular, do not rely upon “nutritionists”. It’s not a protected title; literally any murderous thieving idiot can hang up their shingle and start dispensing bullshit advice. Hence the reason for these shirts:

If you want some actual science-based nutritional advice, find a dietician. And remember that they’re just as fallible as any other scientist from a relatively young biomedical field.

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sorry if my wording above wasn’t clear. denaturing isn’t what gets them past the stomach, the initial effect of the stomach is to release hcl which starts the denaturing process which activates many enzymes including pepsinogen into pepsin (triggered auto-catylization). Since pepsin is activated it can then catalyze other enzymes activating them, it will also break down enzyme inhibitors which activates yet other enzymes. enzyme inhibitors are designed to break down before enzymes so that enzymes are activated during the breakdown process. this is how they function. so this very process the stomach starts of breaking down proteins is actually what accomplishes the main ways that enzymes are activated, which in turn then catalyze and act upon their respective processes.

Even though this process starts in the stomach only 20% of free proteins are actually denatured in the stomach before the food slurry passes to the small intestines, that includes enzymes. Which means contrary to common outdated misconceptions, most protein is not broken down yet, again including enzymes. additionally the initial process of denaturing and breaking down is what converts many enzymes from their inactive to active forms, including our own digestive enzymes, so they start doing what we need them to do. this slurry created in the stomach is then passed to small intestines where the remaining pepsin from the stomach but mostly, trypsin and chymotrypsin from the pancreas, enzymes in the food itself, and intestinal epithelium actually break down the bulk of the proteins that will be broken down to amino acids during digestion rather then passed. The remainder of proteins that aren’t broken down in this stage are passed on. The enzymes that aren’t broken down which remain active the remainder of the process and play roles in the processes that the yeast/bacterial/enzyme processes in the large intestines and bile take over.

The model of:

  1. stomach breaks down protein to amino acids
  2. small intestines absorb all the amino acids
    is an oversimplification base on a somewhat outdated and incomplete understanding of a much more complex system.

[quote]Protein digestion is primarily a result of the activity of enzymes secreted by the pancreas. Aminopeptidases associated with the intestinal epithelium further digest proteins. [1]
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both through catalyzation and through the breaking down of enzyme inhibitors.

it isn’t that all enzymes make it through each stage, but the ones that do are active and do precisely what they were originally created to do. our bodies continue to add enzymes at various stages to the digestive process, and the less enzymes at any stage equal a higher the load on the body to compensate with manufactured enzymes. which has two negative impacts, 1) the long term extra load on our enzyme systems takes a toll 2) we are only capable of making certain subset enzymes which limits which nutrients can be broken down or manufactured and results in nutritional deficiencies and imbalances.

humans also use cooking and heat to break down foods, and heat does a great job, but it also has the effects i mentioned in my initial comment, the enzyme thing was just ONE of the bullet points. The only reason it specifically blew up into was the total focus and write off of that one point upthread by another commenter, well that and the fact that it is probably the most misunderstood aspect. All the vitamin, antioxidants, and other phyto-nutrients destroyed by heating is a bigger deal, imho.

Enzymes and the metabolic processes of the liver are a much more fun conversation. :slight_smile:

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That doesn’t surprise me. One of my favourite dishes is garlic soup, but the distress caused to myself and others is matched only by that resulting from mussels in arrabiata sauce (which I also love, but even I can’t stand the aftereffects. Stupid insides spoiling my dinner. Feh).

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Hey, pass the arriabiata, stop being so shellfish.

I swear, someday I am gonna hear, “if you don’t stop it with the fish puns I am gonna krill you dead!”

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That’s a rather specific ultimoraytum.

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I reckon enough of them, and you’ll wake Cthulhu up (n.b. I am not saying this to encourage you. You should probably stop).

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SodaStream machines aren’t particularly attractive, but I just keep mine in the pantry. They do make glass bottles for them which look just fine, and are easier to keep clean. I haven’t seen an old-timey spout cap for them, but if anyone finds one I’d totally buy that.

I actually like my SodaStream. I live in NYC where I suppose “real” selzer is available, but the convenience of the SodaStream is tough to beat. I am boycotting them because of the whole Israel thing (I support BDS) but there are ways around supporting the company once you have the device itself; you can get an adapter to make it easy to fill from any store that fills paintgun tanks or other commercial CO2 suppliers.

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