America outdoes itself with not one but two school shootings in a single day

So what, your arguments are bad but in your defense so are some other peoples’? That’s some weird inverted strawman shit right there. If you agree that your arguments are terrible, you should try harder before posting them.

American adults need to stop blaming American youths for the situation that American adults put them into. And you, buddy, should take a good hard look at yourself before you go calling other peoples’ arguments lazy.

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Yeah man, still making strawmen like it’s going out of style.
I really don’t get the feeling you understood what I was saying, or even understand the meaning of the word “literally.”
nevermind.

Actually I’m not American, and American culture is shit.

Let’s take a brief inventory in case you missed something;

MMA.

MTV.

Rap.

New country.

Partisan political shit-flinging.

Sex in the city.

Fifty shades of grey.

Youth watch this and think this is how to behave.

And Donald Trump?

Anyway, I merely suggesting my points had some validity, not that they were without merit.

I don’t think facts become outdated. They become history, which if ignored repeats.

Guessing she
a) “Felt safe” with a gun
b) Had it “because it’s her right”
c) Just liked guns

Well , he at least she’s still alive, at least she didn’t kill anyone in a car accident.

Unrelated: You can’d do anything as a grandmother without “grandmother” being included in the headline. They don’t do this with males. I was expecting a woman in her 60s or 70s. Nope - 40s.

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Where do you think E.L. James is from?

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Sold in America.

Still doesn’t discount the fact that America perpetuates the purile and creates very little worth maintaining.

And I forgot to add fetishized posing re-badged as professional sport.

What’s this list supposed to be? Are you actually about to blame gun violence on rap music and sex in the city or are you just going off topic because you’ve run out of things to say? Would love for it to be the former but I suspect the latter.

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It’s the ground from which gun violence emerges.

Hooray! It’s the former. I love you. My honest estimation of you at this point is that you just plain don’t like American culture and you’d like to be able to blame it for something nasty to justify your point of view.

I would love to hear you elaborate on how Sex and the City can cause someone to reach such pits of despair that they would be willing to take their own life and those of everyone around them but it would turn this conversation into a farce. Instead I’ll ask you this:

If rap music, mma, mtv and sex in the city are “the ground from which gun violence emerges,” how come rates of murder and violence in the United States have dropped steadily since all of these things were invented?

In fact the murder rate in the US is lower now than when records began in 1960. Fuck the good old days, they are as much a myth as your lazy, uncontrolled youths.

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Someone hasn’t spent much time imbibing Japanese pop culture, clearly.

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It’s clearly not the end of the discussion simply because large numbers of people want to own ( and use) guns, and feel that other groups want to deprive them of that lawful right.

As a slight comparison, I cultivate deadly nightshade which is actually deadly to humans in small does.

Why do I do it? Because it’s flowers and berries are beautiful, not that I could accidently make tea for my wife with it.

Haha! Tragically I have looked occasionally.

Youth is always lazy and uncontrolled and that won’t ever change, but it seems that youth seems to last longer these days.

Regarding gun deaths via these mass killings, I do think that the background of pop culture has something to do with so entirely disenfrachising some people that they become homicidal.

And the disintegration of the nuclear family has something to to with it as well, but until someone gets P.H.D a research grant on the possible correlation between all these things the thought will have to remain in the domain of speculation.

Yes, until somebody publishes a paper that agrees with your point of view we’ll just have to ignore the existing papers that instead tie gun violence to socio-economic factors, childhood trauma, early incarceration or other institutionalization, and lead-based paints.

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So what, exactly, did you mean when you said:

If not to excuse them being shot? How can it be taken any other way than “They were shot, but they deserved it for fighting”?

Different gun culture. My Swiss friends aren’t ball-grabbingly furious about gun control, either. They’re not at the behest of the lobbyists which control American government, nor those forces that exclusively rile up the right-wing.

Funny enough, left-wing gun owners aren’t for unrestricted gun ownership.

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Can you separate out elements of a countries culture like that?