You said I was wrong to say they were innocent. I wasn’t. They were 100% innocent of anything that gives a private citizen the right to execute them - No fallacy there.
You LITERALLY tried to excuse them being killed, I pointed that out - No fallacy there.
YOU then made it personal
Quite the ad hominem.
You asked me a question, to which I responded with salient points - No fallacy there.
You then made a bizarre comment about how people are upset because 2 mass shootings have happened. I tried to clarify exactly what you meant by that - No fallacy there either.
Most likely not all. About 700,000 guns are issued by the army (public property for active militia members and service weapons owned by former militiamen), the estimates for privately owned guns in Switzerland range from 2 to 4 million.
Possibly a religious response…Marxism is an ideology after all.
I think that America has an ideological history also that manifests it’s self in things like “live free or die” and so on, on top of a liberal " I can do what the fuck I want " that precludes a disciplined approach to gun control like Switzerland, which involves mandatory military service.
I’m not aware of any stigmata, but the Swiss I know don’t own weapons*.
Mostly I wanted to show that most guns in Switzerland are not put in circulation by the army.
*) a friend of mine was drafted when it was normal to keep the service weapon at home. for me as German it was fucking weird to walk into his room and nearly trip over an assault rifle
I thought that after fulfilling the service requirement the guns went home with the former military person, but without ammunition. Is that wrong? Because if you include everyone who has ever served in the Swiss military, that covers a large number of households.
The Armee 95 program (do I have to translate this? ^^) had 400000 active soldiers, the sum of conscripts in training, regulars (mostly officers) and the militiamen with only a few camps (2 weeks per year? I’m not sure) until the age of 40 or so.
Armee XXI, in effect since 2003, halved the army size - leading to shorter terms of militia service and much higher unfitness rates (not exactly pushed, but as they don’t need anyone anymore it’s easier to skip…).
After leaving the active army service it’s possible to keep the weapon (the assault rifle defanged as semi-automatic), but this is not regarded as “national duty” anymore.
With the exception of a few chosen units the active militiamen don’t have ammunition at home (since 2007 afaik), and even the rifle can be stored in an arsenal.
I grabbed that one from the intertubes, and no, not really into making that kind of thing. When I am not avoiding work I am usually playing video games on the non work pc.
