Angry men stamp their adorable little feet after Marines degender job titles

Master of the Forge, Epistolary, Reclusiarch in the Adeptus Astartes. If you don’t like these new names, you must be a heretic.

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“A bitching sailor is a happy sailor”

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I don’t really see a problem with explaining the concept of microaggressions to people who are supposed to be leaders so that they can lead people more effectively.

Take any military unit. If some members go out of their way to make another member feel unwelcome, unsafe, or otherwise not part of the unit, well isn’t that pretty much the definition of a lack of unit cohesion? And isn’t unit cohesion supposed to be a good thing?

The question is whether a disproportionate amount of time and money is spent on it.

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Because ‘overly macho marines’ != ‘desecration of the dead’. That’s the false equivalency I was talking about.

Look I grok that unlike degendered job titles, making an association with the phrase ‘overly macho marines’ requires subjective judgement. But if we consider Google a sort of impartial repository of zeitgeist associations and with that in mind do an image searches for ‘macho’, ‘macho marines’, or even ‘overly macho marines’ at no point do you come up with an image even remotely like the one at the top of the article.

polite cough Incidentally, the images that do turn up would have been funny as hell and made for interesting - and IMHO superior - choices in their own right.

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(From: American Amazons hiding in plain Jane sight)

(From: For Female Marines, Tea Comes With Bullets)

Them wimmins done been in the Marine Corps since like 1918! Their moniker back then, the “Marinettes” has, happily, faded from view.

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I don’t either and while this is purely anecdotal none of the transgender people I know would want special uniforms or anything that drew attention to themselves. One served in the Navy and was there to do a job–just like most of his fellow service members.

Any large organization is going to have funding and supply issues and your tying of “special uniforms” to a low-level Marine not having adequate gear reads like an attempt to place blame.

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Gendersensitivity flummoxes your soldiers.

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I am not even saying that these are not issues to be explored and discussed. My overall point is that there is a perception among current and retired Marines that their leadership places a higher priority on funding social justice advances than they do on readiness, or supplying current service members with needed weapons and gear. Whether or not the perception is completely supported by the budget numbers is different than the issue of whether the perception exists.
Honestly, if trans individuals are going to serve openly, uniform issues will need to be one of the things addressed.

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PC exists largely in the negative. As some shadowy thing to be opposed to. You will find more people bitching and moaning about PC than you will find evidence of its existence.

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How so? Do they not make “boy” uniforms and “girl” uniforms anymore? Do you think trans people don’t generally fall into one of two gender categories?

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Lyudmila Pavilchenko’s ghost takes one look at those “angry” men, laughs at them as a paltry excuse for existence, calls them the Russian equivalent of “limp dicks” and walks away.

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It was not my idea to convene and fund a working group to research the issue. The entire concept had never even occurred to me until I saw a job posting for the group, which I cannot find right now, but am looking for.

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Neat. Also, for posterity’s sake I’d like to note that the phrase ‘women marines’ (which I used) makes me wince the same way ‘men marines’ would. It just sounds dumb. I should’ve gone with ‘female marines’ for the distinction I was after. Just another reason to be pleased ‘marines’ is sufficient.

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Capital “H” hyperbole.

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This so needs to be on a tee-shirt.

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So maybe it’s just the marines/vets with whom you chat? I worked with a former marine who is a high school English teacher and while he’d agree about the lack of supplies, he’d be pragmatic about the level of crazy bureaucratic think tank decision-making for every single thing that may or may not impact a marine. Corporations do this. School districts, health care, and local governments do this. He gets this but apparently many people don’t, and so let’s blame the military for doing something (a task force on possible transgender uniforms) when the military has been doing the same shit for eons?

Again, I worry about their mental preparedness if all some marines can do is blame bureaucratic b.s. on transgender troops.

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Everyone knows a naval base is just a place to deposit seamen.

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What’s long and hard and filled with seamen? A SUBMARINE! /wackawackawacka

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Not, really. I see this as a task force just dotting their “i’s” and crossing their “t’s” to be sure they are being as inclusive as they can be.

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