My experience of my government isn’t one of a model though.
No, I’m the one that doesn’t excuse Nazi genocide and medical experiments (or the death of the Jews) with “They advanced human knowledge.”
I know you love your Nazis but the rest of us aren’t so willing to forgive ideological motivated torture and mass murder for a scientific bauble or five.
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So because you don’t like the reputation of the sites, facts don’t exist? Feel free to google for more politically correct sites with details on the confiscation programs implemented in California, Illinois, New York.
What is legal today can be made illegal tomorrow, sometimes without even passing a new law, like California did in “reclassifying” the SKS. But without registration today, tomorrow’s confiscation will not be effective.
If you’re going to make a claim like that, you have to back it up. Please, give me a link to an "actual literal nazi" I have defended, and don’t say Larry Correia.
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You know somebody who can submit a bill?
Implementation should be straightforward. Current system for FFLs is that seller calls NICS (or their state POC), supplies minimal identity information about the buyer (basically what’s on buyer’s driver’s license, and possibly a UPIN), and receive a “approved”, “denied” or “delayed” response, along with a unique “NICS transaction number (NTN)” confirming the check was executed.
To open NICS up to private sellers, need to add some additional protection against transaction records being used to build a database of owners, modify Federal law so that if the gun later shows up at a crime scene and traced back to the seller, producing the NTN is an affirmative defense against civil and criminal liability for the transfer, and codify some sort of protection against the feds just returning “delayed” for everybody (effectively shutting down all private sales).
For states where a concealed handgun license (CHL) is a substitute for NICS, the state would provide a means to confirm a CHL is valid, and return a sequence and code equivalent to the NTN.
So you’re saying that the law isn’t the law and if the law changes, you don’t have to follow it. Yeaaaah.
I guess you sure love your guns.
I found that politifacts page too, but the conclusion of that page is that the US doesn’t actually have staggeringly more mass shootings than other nations. I agree if you take their data the conclusion seems pretty clear, but other people are looking at the same numbers and using them to justify other conclusions. Now I think comparing per capita killings in the US vs. Norway is absurd for reasons I stated above, but comparing the US against everyone else added up only proves it’s above average, not that it’s an outlier. In the end you have to look at the data reasonably to come to any conclusions, and trying to be reasonable is usually the death of argument.
After Robin Williams’ death I recall seeing a piece on how to prevent suicide contagion that was put out by the CDC. Presumably very similar principles would get good at preventing mass murder contagion.
Of course, the flip side of that is that people didn’t actually follow that advice from the CDC very well, and got very upset when people pointed that out (i.e., the “you’re free now” genie tweet).
Also, Tesla was a genius, but how far behind him was Marconi on the radio? Newton and Leibniz, the race for the telephone, the various lightbulbs, attempts at flight that were so, so close by countless others before the Wrights took credit. Basically, if one person hadn’t invented something, someone else just would have, and probably very shortly after. We progress because the pieces are in place to progress, not because of any particular literal Nazi asshole.
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Oh dear. Guns make money. Money buys lobbying. People buy the lobbying. People want more guns. People buy guns. Guns make money. Money buys lobbying. And so on.
Since Newton I’m sick of the entire debate. It’s irrational, and makes no ground.
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I know. I felt that conclusion was wildly out of touch with it’s own data, and could only be made with some particularly tortured (heh) interpretations.
The basic data is interesting though.
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Leave it to a nazi-lover to not understand the idea of not using completely biased hate websites for sources. There’s a difference between “politically correct” and “not advocating hate crimes”.
Thank you for doing my work for me, linking your defense of a man who openly invited white supremacists into his political movement, and has rants against “SJWs” (which we all knows mean “anyone who’s not a white, straight cis man and dares to disagree with me or exist without my permission”), and has no problem palling around with all sorts of racists and homophobes. But no, I didn’t mean Correia, I meant all the neo-nazis he’s in a movement with of the puppies.
We know why you want guns. We know you want to intimidate and harass people you see as “degenerates”. When people like you come on to defend gun rights, you do a great job at reminding people of all white supremacist mass murderers, who subscribe to the same political philosophies as you do.
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I could be but I’m not one excusing gun murders because I gotta have mah gunz.
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You trust the lawmakers? Did you see how they work? There should always be an option for civil disobedience, for not just bending over and taking the change just again.
Some time ago there was noise about laws banning “hacking tools”. With the luminaries who make the laws, it could’ve ended by banning nmap and its ilk. If that would happen, would YOU give up your tools, or agree with registration, knowing that if you get fired from a security job and lose “a legitimate reason” to possess them, a goon squad could come to your house and erase them? They are already sometimes coming to houses of freshly dead people to traumatize the widows and seize leftover medications, thanks to the War on Drugs.
If you got a stash of painkillers, would you dispose of them because they are “bad” in the eye of The Law, or would you just hold up on it for cases like tooth abscess? A box of illegal pills can be quite useful in such cases, been there.
The State has no right to retroactively regulate possessions. The less they know, the less they can come for and seize.
In Ireland, I have problems sourcing lead-containing solder in shops. All they have is the lead-less crapola that melts poorly and oxidizes fast. I have to bring my own.
After the EU banned domestic lightbulbs, people exploited lots of loopholes or even openly defied the ban (blessed be the local Vietnamese shoppers, think Kwik-E-Mart). Now you can commonly find them sold. Which is good, for all sorts of reasons including their usefulness as nonlinear resistors/current sources/heating elements. Scofflaws, you’d say?
Some libraries for DVD decoding are technically illegal in the US. Would you opt for not playing a DVD with vlc, because it is breaking The Law? Or are you choosy about what laws are good and what ones can be broken with impunity? Are you talking the talk, or also walking the walk?
And if the obedience to law was so absolutely good, remember you’d be still a subject to the British Crown, or couldn’t buy alcohol.
Not all laws are worth following. We should be given the choice. Or do you trust politicians that much? Remember that next time the ones you disagree with could be elected.
Anything wrong with that? So he disagrees with you, and sees the problems with giving the govt too much power/information. Is it bad?
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The short stub-nosed revolvers are the best bet for defense, I’d say. The short design gives it a good retrieval characteristics, whether from a holster or a bag, and better handling. The lack of accuracy that comes with such a short barrel does not matter in short-distance scenarios, the lower muzzle velocity is compensated by a shorter distance to target, the lack of ammo usually is not much of problem in such scenarios too, and the simplicity of the mechanism means that a defective round won’t jam the gun when the stakes are the highest. The $50-70 more than the cheaper semiautos is worth it.
Well … that’s where your first mistaken assumption is nested …
Well, that’s what my tactical handbooks say.
[quote=“dragonchild12, post:353, topic:63165, full:true”]We know why you want guns. We know you want to intimidate and harass people you see as “degenerates”. When people like you come on to defend gun rights, you do a great job at reminding people of all white supremacist mass murderers, who subscribe to the same political philosophies as you do.
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Wow, project much?
Unlike you, I don’t believe in judging people by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character, and I don’t judge authors like Larry (or the Hugo nominees) by their presumed politics and what labels other people try to attach to them, but rather by what they actually write.
But no, it’s easier for you to just assign a political philosophy to people because they dare to disagree with you.
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Now, I think I’ve belittled the idea that the government-is-coming-to-take-our-guns before, and I wouldn’t have thought I’d be saying this a couple of days ago, but when I think about it now, the comparison to driver’s licenses doesn’t really work in gun control’s favour in the US. Don’t the police use vehicle registrations as part of their civil forfeiture for profit scheme? So basically vehicle registration and driver’s licenses are actually currently being used by the government to steal from citizens as part of what looks an awful lot like a huge criminal enterprise from the outside. Maybe gun owners have the right idea being paranoid about their government after all.
On the other hand, gun rights activists don’t have the right idea when they continually try to vote in the very government that they are so scared of. If you are worried about the US becoming some kind of crazy police state, I’m pretty sure voting republican because they defend gun rights is the wrong way around. I’ve said above that I don’t think it’s the guns that cause the problem, but I do think that the every-man-for-himself attitude that seems to underpin the gun rights argument might be a big part of the problem.
When the right wing conspiracy theorists imagine the left-wing plot to take over the world and destroy freedom they imagine social studies professors (“cultural marxists”) controlling the population with some kind of cultural mind control. When the left wing conspiracy theorists imagine the right-wing plot to take over the world and destroy freedom they imagine men with guns. Call me a left-wing nut if you wish, but the latter is a lot more plausible. Right now, I don’t see the second amendment doing a lot of work to stop the slide into police state, and a huge number of those people defending their gun rights would be very willing to help if the police came around to round up a posse to take out the government’s enemies. Again, from an outside perspective, America’s angry people with guns look a lot like a part of the police state rather than a check against it.
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Actually, both sides imagine jackbooted thugs with guns. A left-wing dictatorship and a right-wing dictatorship aren’t that much different in the power structure enforcement, and both suck. A wannabe Stalin is startlingly similar to a wannabe Pinochet.
Well, I’m sure that when almost anyone imagines a totalitarian state they call up images of actual totalitarian states to guide their imagination. I just find the idea that America is currently descending into a corporatist police state via buying politicians a lot more plausible than the idea that it is descending into a marxist police state via political correctness. I think once you get to jackbooted thugs, though, right and left have already looped around and met again at the back.
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