Peter Piper peppered a pickled perpetrator
If Peter Piper’s perps’ pecker was really peppered
Just how painful would that perps pecker Peter Piper peppered be?
It would get right under your skin, if you had one. QED.
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This is true. My husband was circumcised as a baby due to a condition where his foreskin didn’t allow him to urinate. Apparently he was in a lot of pain as a tiny baby and circumcision helped. I can be medically necessary, but most of the time not. My husband and I both agreed that if we had a baby boy it wouldn’t be done unless he had the same condition. Not that we were too concerned, it’s not routinely done here in Australia. And we ended up having a baby girl.
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The only reason gentile circumcision is a common thing done at all in the US is because a motherfucker named John Kellogg (who was quite literally out of his damn mind) decided in the late 1800s that the reason why everyone gets sick and has any kind of health problems is because of masturbation.
So he decided to prescribe circumcisions to adolescent boys as a matter of course. Simply a general preventative for “self-abuse” since it’s so painful. If circumcision wasn’t painful, Kellogg would have recommended something else, maybe hand circumcisions to the fingertips to make masturbation painful. That was the entire point.
And hey whaddya know, prudish american sensibilities were stroked ever so gently. And it became commonly asked for by worrying parents. And now we have a tradition of slicing up baby cocks and nobody seems to even be able to articulate a reason why.
Medical necessity is exceedingly rare. Christians have no reason to do it religiously. It doesn’t really affect STD transmission among children. It’s elective, can be done later in life, and essentially is just cosmetic.
I don’t understand how anyone thinks it’s okay to do to a newborn infant.
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thou doth protest too much, no such claims were laid or assumptions made, why the cackles?
I merely pointed out in an equally civil manner how the selective framing you were engaging in misrepresented the original material and failed to take into account the larger picture. A welcome set of additional information for someone with no agenda only wishing to expand the conversation, no? 
I’ll leave it to you to make your own opinions clear, i prefer to only address what is said on its own merit in any discussion.
I very strongly disagree with this assertion. While autonomy of free will for minors is a valuable discussion to be had, that isn’t what this discussion is. No one here is against legal guardians approving medically necessary procedures. What people are discussing is the painful mutilation of a child’s genitals for non-medically necessitated reasons, regardless of parental consent or opinion. That is the issue being discussed and on the table. Quite unusual reframing, once again, for someone claiming no agenda or opinion?
@anon67050589, @glenblank, and @LDoBe similarly clarify the issue being addressed. The 
goalposts are fine in their current location. 
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I would like to apologize to you directly for my poor judgement. I realize now that my previous reply to you was not acceptable. I do not wish to disrespect anyone in this thread, or the work you put in moderating.
Please accept my humblest apology.
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Well, they do recommend mastectomies for women who have the genetic markers for breast cancer. I don’t know if they recommend pre-emptive hysterectomies to avoid uterine or ovarian cancer for those at higher risk.
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Regarding people’s opinions being effectively tied to whether or not they have been circumcised themself:
My father (son of a non-practicing Jewish doctor) was circumcised; I was not.
To the extent that my father ever expressed an opinion on the matter to me, it was “the bit of my penis which is exposed is really uncomfortable when I shower” and that he never saw any convincing reason to have a perfectly good bit of his child’s anatomy chopped off.
I’ll also note that it wasn’t until I was in my twenties that I realised the ubiquity of circumcision in America explained why I kept reading about men needing lube when they masturbate.
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True. But those are based on specific diagnosis of high risk rather than just giving mastectomies to everyone. And, AFIK, even with genetic testing they don’t give babies prophylactic mastectomies.
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I do wonder if such specific recommendations would be made for men with genetic markers for testicular cancer? Seems like it would not be, but they would increase screenings, but I don’t know.
No, entirely true. Women with the markers are given the option, along with other choices, such as keeping up with yearly screenings instead of the newer recommendation of every other year. so, in that case an adult is making that choice for themselves.
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Late to the game but bringing an anecdote.
Like Melzimatic, when my wife was pregnant with our daughter, we talked about it, and decided that if we were having a boy, we’d not get him circumcised, even though my super-conservative Christian parents did that to me.
Later, my mom asked me, “You would have gotten your son circumcised, right?” I said, “no.” And she went a little batty. I kindly explained to her that we’re not Jewish and that the American practice deviates from the “biblical” practice anyway (and that it’s rather barbaric to boot). Granted, I shouldn’t have had to defend my decision to not hypothetically pay a doctor to remove a part of hypothetical son’s hypothetical penis. Or, for that matter, a real child.
My SIL, however, opted to circumcise her son, claiming that she wanted him to look like his dad. And that brought back all the fond memories of me and my dad and brother whipping our dicks out and comparing them. Wait… that never happened.
Ultimately, I don’t care what you do to your own junk. But I think that if you’re going to make a permanent alteration to a child (even baby ear-piercing or twin-tattoos) you should think twice and ask yourself what the right thing to do would be (like, real actual beneficial surgeries that fix cleft pallets and external hearts and whatnot). I would not shed a tear if the US did total a ban on child circumcision.
I mean, I doubt St. Peter is checking the penises of little kids while they’re on the way to heaven.
…Don’t we have priests for that?
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This situation makes me think of non-consensual intersex surgery and all the problems that causes to the child.
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Indeed, I developed one of those rare conditions as an adult, thus my “both sides” experience.
But that’s why I said “…on a healthy infant’s behalf.”
An infant suffering one of those rare medical conditions is not a healthy infant, and thus “medical necessity” requires (entirely appropriate) parental decision-making, as with any other illness.
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