Articles of Impeachment introduced for Trump by CA congressman Brad Sherman

To me that logic reads like “we don’t want Mr. Gotti to look like the victim. We want him to look like the bad guy. Charging him with racketeering tends to make him look like the victim.”

Congress was granted the power to impeach a sitting President for a reason. They shouldn’t allow the country to suffer under the reign of a criminal buffoon just because removing him from office makes them look like meanies.

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The problem isn’t “making htem look like meanies”. The problem is energizing not only his base, but all those people on the fence-the ones who right now are neutral towards Trump, but hate the “elite” and the “media”. I would just as soon they stay neutral and not vote for Trump in 2020. I’m not sure Gotti ever got 45% of the country saying, “This guy should be president.”

And why would the majority of Americans who hate Trump be “energized” to support an opposition party that didn’t even try to keep him in check when they had the chance?

Trump is less popular than Nixon was for most of his Presidency and they forced that criminal bastard out. Let’s make America accountable again.

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THAT needs to be on a t-shirt!

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I’m not talking about “Americans”. I’m talking about “voters”. Hardly the same thing.

And they wouldn’t be energized to support the GOP. They would be energized to vote AGAINST the Dems. That’s how Trump got elected, not by people who liked him and the GOP so much, but by people who hated the Dems/media/elite/Masons/Gays/Hollywood/etc.

The majority of voters didn’t support Trump either, as you may recall.

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Yes-exactly my point. He won with a minority, imagine what he could win by if others were motivated to vote for him?

Look, I want him gone as much as you do. I just don’t want an unintended consequence. Anyway, I think the Dem candidate is much more important than whether Trump or Pence is running.

I’m getting pretty tired of all the admonitions about how progressives need to worry about what Trump voters (or even people considering voting for Trump) think. They sure as hell don’t seem to care what we think.

I want a congress that is willing to put country before party and hold the current President accountable for his actions without all the constant hand-wringing about how that might affect them during the next election. That goes for politicians of both parties.

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I think there’s no doubt that if progressives nominated a good candidate, and got out and supported him/her, they’d win easily in 2016, uh, I mean 2020.

Typo? We’ve already got a congress that largely does that.

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Yeah, that was a typo.

You too?

Everyone seems to act like they have an definitive answer to a deeply complex, detrimental problem that has been at least 50 fucking years in the making.

We can’t go back and un-gerrymander all the states that have been gerrymandered to death.

We cannot ‘un-gut’ all the voter protections that have been gutted.

We cannot undo the Republican base playing to bigoted bias against everyone who isn’t straight, White male and claims to be Xtian.

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