Agreed.
Kansas hasn’t given it’s paltry 6 electoral votes to a Democrat since 1964. Feel free to vote your conscience.
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I think that we will have to agree to disagree. I never said that I subscribe to every opinion in the article, but I do particularly agree with the basic premise that Nader drew from the left more than from the right. I’ve seen compelling evidence of that.
Just personally, I think that Nader is a desperately sad figure in national politics, who took what should have been a wonderful legacy of consumer advocacy and opposition to corporate malfeasance, and turned that legacy very sour by refusing to acknowledge that the Democratic candidate in 2000 and 2004 was far preferable to the disaster that we got. We would have never had the stolen election if Florida had not come down to the small vote difference that it did. Nader helped bring that about.
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You’re right of course. Nader had nothing to do with it.
It was the people who voted for Nader instead of Gore that were the problem.
In the system we have, given all other things being equal, the group of people who votes the most strategically wins. Nader voters didn’t vote strategically. There was no way Nader was ever going to win. It was nothing but a protest vote. That’s fine in a heavily weighted state, but in a close state? It is beyond stupid.
Now it would be one thing if 100% of Nader voters were people who wouldn’t have voted for Gore, but we know that wasn’t the case.
Sure, also all the people who voted for Bush are to blame, but at the end of the day, if I was one of those Nader voters in Florida, I would take little solace in that fact.
That said, we can count our lucky stars that most Jill Stein supporters live in extremely Blue states anyway, so it isn’t likely they’re going to tip the election.
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I clearly remember lots of people voting idealistically for a third-party candidate in the US about 15 years ago and condemning our nation to an 8-year-long unmitigated political, military, and economic clusterfuck,
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So even if you acknowledge that Republicans stole the election, it’s still Nader’s fault? Sheesh.
Right, we’ll have to agree to disagree. I appreciate Nader’s efforts to popularize positions that are further to the left of the increasingly centrist, corporatist and militaristic democrats, and I blame democratic centrists for throwing in the towel too early in elections that were stolen from them (cf. Kerry, Ohio, etc.). It’s not Nader’s fault they gave up so easily, nor, again, is it his fault that he ran as a candidate and, surprise surprise, got some votes.
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And for that we can thank Republicans.
“See, everyone! Ideological whack-a-doos are electable! THERE ARE NO ADULTS IN CHARGE!”
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My thoughts and my prayers go to Ms Clinton. As for all of my fucks, they remain with Mr Sanders, whether he’s running or not.
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I don’t live in Kansas anymore, but thanks.
Probably all the governments that order warships to bombard residential areas, drop cluster bombs on protesters, hire mercenary death squads to kill anyone who tries to help the wounded, fire on civilians from helicopters, have most of the government resign in protest and where the UN refers its government to the International Criminal Court for gross human rights violations.
I mean, those ones at least. Though, it did take the US several more days before we uttered the first words about possibly doing something about it and then another three weeks until the French convinced us and the UN Security Council passed a resolution for it. So… I mean… even if all those earlier things happen, no guarantee.
Seriously though, do you have any clue what happened in Libya or do you just make up a narrative to fit your world view?
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Who is Jill?
Oh well, you have my permission anyway. 
Unfortunately “hope” won’t get the US over the finish line, but I feel your pain.
Well, there’s always Gary Johnson. He was Governor of NM and didn’t burn the place down…
But not Hillary, no way.
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And the day-after plan was?
Oh, right. As Obama admitted when asked to cite the biggest mistake of his presidency, there basically wasn’t one.
Dude, I never said nor implied that Libya was a paradise before our leaders decided to confirm all suspicions that they learned nothing from our horrific misadventure in Iraq when they proceeded to make Libya even more of a dangerous mess than it was before.
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The article spins Florida, since there’s some (delusional) spin possible, but doesn’t even try to touch New Hampshire, which Nader also swung to Bush.
Nader was very open about wanting Bush to win, and openly and repeatedly said that between Bush and Gore, he’d vote for Bush. He also was openly in favor of overturning Roe v. Wade. On a number of fronts Nader was further right than Gore, TBH.
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Citation please.
Smells like ripe canard to me. Must be the residue leftover by the relentless butthurt smearing done to Nader by Democrats who won’t acknowledge their own party’s faults in losing elections, and in objecting to other candidates doing what they fairly can in this supposedly democratic country to get votes.
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The page you linked to might be a couple months out of date, since this vote was on May 2016: http://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=820
As for fluoridation, I suppose I misread/misinterpreted this page: http://gp.org/cgi-bin/vote/propdetail?pid=525
At any rate, “if you’re going to be a snarky asshole,” these are not really what brought me, or anyone I know, to the Green Party; your post is simply a derail. In terms of potential harm done, compare to the DNC 2016 platform statement on supporting Israel for instance.
I went to hear Jill Stein speak last week. She didn’t talk about fluoridation or homeopathy. She talked about Black Lives Matter, climate change, the student debt crisis, criminal justice, the War on Drugs (in terms of its effect on growing the prison population and the refugee crises in Latin America), and how our interventionist policy in the Middle East has backfired.
It sounded a lot like the Bernie Sanders rally I went to a couple months before that, except she thinks it was a mistake to try to change things from within the Democratic party. (A point on which I’m ambivalent, beacuse it almost worked and certainly got a lot of attention.)
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In the scheme of things? Nobody particularly.
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