And technically Elizabeth Warren isn’t the first female candidate. Hillary Clinton was. So that argument doesn’t wash. As stated previously, Warren has definitive proposals. That satisfies your requirement. So why are you still claiming her only selling point is her gender?
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The first thing I heard from Warren when she stepped out on the stage was the same tired argument we heard from Clinton, “I’m possibly the first woman president, vote for me, nothing else matters”. If that’s all you have to run on, I can tell you right now, most voters in America won’t vote for you just because I’m the first. This isn’t the Guiness World Records Book.
That’s a hard no go on Beto.
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But you’re willing to just go for electability, which is a mythical thing anyway. Going to the obama example, people said the exact same thing, right up until he was elected president. Do you really not remember all of that?
Perhaps you’re not being as clear as you believe you are, which happens to all of us, because this is a message board and communication isn’t always clear.
What others here are saying is that unseating trump isn’t enough if it just goes back to business as usual after and that we do think someone like Warren (or another woman) DOES has a chance to be president, based on history, too. If Obama’s election didn’t wake you up to that, I’m not sure what will…
Look, if you feel as if the sexism and racism is insurmountable issues and that we’ll never get a woman as president, so let’s just work to get trump out of office, then okay. That’s you. But not all of us agree and the stakes on many of these issues are much bigger for us.
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Except that she has since rolled out some real policies.
And YES, having a woman as president would be a big historical moment, given that it was not that long ago that women could not vote…
Maybe most men…
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I’m sure they’re desperate for your approval.
Hey - maybe if we didn’t have all these firsts hanging out there - you wouldn’t have this very important concern.
Me - I’ve decided that men can’t win against Trump. Look how many lost to him in the primary. The only candidate to beat him with the voters was a woman- and she wasn’t even a particularly good campaigner.
And really - Bernie would be a first anywho.
So you can’t support him.
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Just because you can win the Democratic Primary doesn’t mean you can win in the general. Nate Silver talks about this all the time.
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George Mcgovern, Al Gore, John Kerry…
The point of looking to the past (as emphasized above) is to explain, not to keep following the same patterns. History is supposed to teach us, not bind us.
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Thanks for reciting my previous point. Now we’ve gone full circle.
Of course- if you can’t win the primary- you can’t win the general.
You’re out of the game. Guys who lost the primary are losers.
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If that was your point, it wasn’t particularly clear. What lesson have you taken away from our history of racism and sexism? It doesn’t seem to be that things can change for the better, so what was it?
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I don’t know - being the first Jewish or socialist or very elderly President breaks a few societal boundaries.
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Maybe instead of trying to twist and misconstrue other’s words you should pay attention to what exactly they’ve said.
Al Gore did win the popular vote in the general election, and would have won the electoral college too if it had been conducted fairly.
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Again, maybe you’re not being clear here. You’ve noted that American has a history of racism and sexism. We know that. We agree with you. Are you saying that continuing to ignore those things will make them go away? Or are you saying that they are insurmountable issues? Or are you saying that women or people of color discussing their specific experiences as such is also racist and we shouldn’t accept it if they do that?
However Warren started off her campaign (and again, a woman being president would be a historical moment that mattered), she has put out very specific policy proposals to deal with a variety of social issues faced by people across the racial, gender, and class spectrum in American society. Do you think that is not enough for a candidate to do? Or do you disagree with her specific policies and are looking to other candidates?
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I like Warren too, & I like Bernie’s policies, but I wanna add I heard Jay Inslee on the radio this week & thought he was a good, solid, very focussed progressive.
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He’s gotten no traction thus far (or at least not from what I’ve seen)… but I like his focus on climate change as the core of his campaign. If he doesn’t do well in the primary, I at least hope he can get others to address the issues seriously.
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Fortunately- America has no history of antisemitism, has never denied jobs or security clearances to socialists and has never had ageism.
So - only the barriers that don’t apply to Bernie are real barriers.
Really - we know the Republican vote is mostly men. A Democratic candidate needs to turn out women.
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And people of color of all genders, too.
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