The analogy I use is this: our house is on fire. The first group of people tends to bumble around, getting in the way of people actually trying to do something about the fire, and eventually doing minimal work, but will happily include themselves in the “we did it” when it has been contained. The other group is actively spraying accelerants, slashing the firehoses, and selling off the firefighting equipment while it’s still being used.
Yeah, that first group is pretty useless, but will sort of eventually do the right thing, as long as someone else does the actual work first. The second is actively harmful. Not a great choice, but also ultimately not a difficult one.
Absolutely! Biden’s strategy people are masterful players. Which is exactly why he’s the nominee now - when he was taking a drubbing, and folks were calling on him to drop out, his strategy people were simply waiting for Super Tuesday.
That’s why I feel good about our chances. I don’t think these strategists will be ignoring Michigan like Clinton’s folks did (for one example among many).
And Harris is no pathetic milquetoast like Kaine. Seriously… WTF Kaine!!! I’m still gobsmacked by that one.
Yeah. (And to be honest and clear, I agree with Joe and Kamala on a lot more things than probably most people on the BBS do. I’m a pretty middle-of-the-road Dem, and I’m actually pretty thrilled with this pick, even though I understand and to some extent sympathize with the progressives’ wish that he’d made a more progressive pick.)
In a normal election, yeah this would be more annoying. I consider myself pretty far-left. But the only important thing right now, presidency-wise, is getting Trump out of office. This VP pick helps more than it hurts.
You mean when we ignored the much more quiet and decorous dismantling of the New Deal state and low-key police brutality against Black citizens? That normal?
Electing a non-fascist is just a step on the road NOT ending up back in that same complacency that white middle class America has had for the past few decades as the rug has been pulled out from under the rest of America.
When he has been re-elected, no election to worry about, can pardon anyone he wants without accountability, and has all his flunkies in key positions… I think we’ll be nostalgic for even the 2016-2020 Trump.
I think it will be shock and awe even for people like McConnell and the rest of the republican party. He’ll be effectively without restraint, and not even care what they think.
If people don’t get out and vote, he will win. That’s what will lose this election, white middle class men who like to think they are more “woke” than the rest of us whose actual rights and lives are not really so much on the line, pitching a fit that their candidate lost and so they are going to stay home on election day to “punish” those of us already being punished, and who have been continually punished by centrist politics for several decades now.
Then don’t vote for him, and advocate for the less worse candidate, and put pressure on the Democrats to do better. Those are you choices.
We can still be disappointed in this, though. I’m really objecting to @anon33932455 moralizing to @Melizmatic about her disappointment.
Shit was bad before Trump, but the white middle class did not see that, because it wasn’t that bad for them.
[ETA] in your reply, it seemed like you were saying that picking Harris will lose the election rather than voters choosing to throw their vote to an actual fascist instead, when I’m arguing that despite the disappointing selection, we should still move forward and vote for this ticket, because the worst case scenario is Trump again.
This election, if all goes well, is gonna feel like standing in front of a house, destroyed by a tornado, and saying “Well, we got out alive, that’s what matters.”
There is truth in that analogy. The important thing is, first, to get out alive. We have not done that yet. The second is to start rebuilding, hopefully in a style more resistant to the storms. (To stretch the analogy a bit more.)
I really like those statistics, and absolutely want to keep seeing them brought out ad used to counter the people who dismiss KH because of her record, but remember that congresspeople only get to vote on the bills that actually get through committee and make it to the floor. It is unlikely that Sanders’ votes truly accurately reflect even his own beliefs about what types of bills he should be voting into law. “Willingess to agree to compromises you don’t like on the basis of what options are on offer at any given moment” is also a key factor in voting records, as this thread clearly shows.
