Revered late French comedian Pierre Desproges stated the issue, to put it short, in terms of being careful who you’re laughing with. And I’d add that where you’re laughing from is an important part of it.
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Awesome. I have an opening to rant about Quentin Tarantino.
See, that’s one of the many, many, many things I hate about Tarantino with the burning passion of a thousand suns. What I said before about a truly talented comic (or writer or speaker or artist for that matter) being able to use offensive language? Tarantino isn’t good enough to pull it off.
He has nothing to say, other than “look how cool I am!” There’s no point, no context, no moral. Tarantino is a worthless, useless, narcissistic bag of rancid skunk feces. What he passes off as style is nothing more than copypasted textures stolen from actual artists, applied with the mentality of a 14 year old boy who learned everything he knows about life from reading Hustler magazine. What he claims is irony is nothing more than a ham fisted effort to pass off his racism with a wink and a “but you’re not like those other ones, amirite?” The world would be greatly improved by his contracting venereal smallpox. He is the only force in nature capable of making someone hate Samuel L Jackson. He exhibits a degree of class sufficient to make Donald Trump look like Cary Grant in comparison.
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Well! The loss of such pretty hair would make anyone unhappy! We should all pitch in and get him a nice wig so Billy can feel like Billy again! 
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Please tell me that Disneyland picture is real. I want to believe…
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It’s as real as Billy’s infinite sadness. 
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I dunno. Some folks self-identify with the term. Others use it as a pejorative.
I’m not going to discount a person for three words they used to describe themselves or others, because then I’d be the asshat jumping to make an ‘other’ out of someone.
If they are the sort to spit on someone, or harass them outside of the context of a conversation/argument… that’s another matter.
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So am I.
Make a show of your ‘sadness’ for me, but don’t go thinking it’s a respectful way behave.
Be the change, or mimic the oppressor. Your call.
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LOL What career?!?!
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I like her music, though. Has she said a bunch of stupid shit that hasn’t made it all the way to the other side of the pond-Internet? I don’t know why they’re beyond compared 
Nah he’s wrong. Paula Deen and other asshats still have careers and so would he if he slips up and goes beyond saying what he’s thinks others will think he thinks if he says what he’s thinking.
Consequences for things may be amplified, but that too is progress.
How many decades back was it where precisely nothing would happen to your career/whatever for expressing/encouraging hate against specific groups/people?
Not many.
How many decades back was it where your career/whatever could be furthered for expressing/encouraging hate against specific groups/people?
Maybe in a few more decades we’d be talking about this one?
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I think in part you’re agreeing since he was speaking in such broad strokes with the, “we see people being degraded, we see people doing all sorts of things that we should be horrified at as a culture… but we live in a world where one word could destroy your life but it’s OK to, if you’re a social-justice warrior, spit in somebody’s face.”
And interpreted really, really generously it could be true in some parts. But in the context of the rest of what he was saying it’s hard to want to interpret it generously, and it’s also riddled with dubious/false things. One of his examples of a person whose career was ruined was Paula Deen, but, well, that didn’t happen. She got some pressure for a while but is now back on the screen cooking terrible food, selling books, etc. The N-word’s thrown down on Twitter/Facebook/Youtube/etc. comments many thousands of times a day and it isn’t some mass life destruction event. If you’re a celeb. making a career that depends on your reputation, these days you can potentially damage that rep. with open racism, but I don’t see that as anything but the status quo of the way things have always been with people whose livelihoods are built on reputations, and it’s probably not as life-destroying as he says. The Kramer guy has been doing films and carrying on.
I’m going to say that if you are a “SJW” type (however you define that) and you go spitting in people’s face, you really aren’t going to get a pass. I can’t prove it, but I really can’t see it being widely tolerated.
There are people being degraded and people doing terrible things we shouldn’t tolerate, though, of course, since he said “people” you get to fill in the blanks. For Billy, who recently called SJWs the new KKK, calls Sanders supporters Maoists, and worries about chemtrails and vaccines causing autism, is a climate change denialist, and believes white people are terribly oppressed by minorities and have no free speech, I’d imagine the people he’s filling in the blanks in his head, aren’t who you’re filling in.
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If there is a list, please add “Racist McShootFace” to it
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Yes. In high school we had a poster that defiantly proclaimed, “These are racial slurs!”, Then listed them. 90% of them we had never heard. I think more studying was done on that poster than the entirety of AP Lit.
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I gotta say, I’m feeling reeeally oppressed right now as a white dude in California.
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Wait, did I say oppressed? I meant compressed. I have a Maine coon laying on my chest. (Her name is Bear :D)
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Unicorns. I’ve never met any. It is usually used by gamergaters and right wing trollies towards other people.
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I too have never met someone who used anything remotely close to SJW to describe themself. Generally they identify as adherents to Wheaton’s Law.
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Well, okay, I probably should have RTFA before saying how everybody missed something…
I’m the first to give the benefit of any doubt, but I guess that’s enough to convince me Corgan is a douche.
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I get it, I’d first assumed there might be something he was aiming for, but the fact that Corgan was on the Alex Jones show (again, as it turns out) made it seem iffy. I had no idea he’d gone of the deep end since he used to be a bit of a touchy-feely type (if also a narcissist). But somewhere along his path he jumped on the right-wing conspiracy theorist bile-spouting extremist train and now he’s chugging along full steam.
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My point was that I’m not in the mood to bend over backwards to find a nice way to read what he wrote. I don’t think public outrage at racism is a dangerous force that needs to be kept in check or one that has gone too far.
He mentions Paula Deen and Michael Richards. Deen owns several restaurants, still produces cooking programs and has had a former president come to her defense. Michael Richards has done acting work since his public racist/anti-semitic outburst. In fact, after 6 years of having no TV or movie appearances from 2000-2006, he started doing work again in 2007, only one year after that incident. If anything, evidence suggests that the tirade helped his career, rather than destroying it. Paula Deen’s net worth is estimated at $10M, Michael Richards’ at $45M.
In short, the idea that one word has ruined either of those two people’s careers is straight up bullshit. Nonsense. Manufactured from nothing by the real “Outrage Machine” - the one that is outraged that people have to say “sorry” after they say hurtful things.
So sorry if my reading of Corgan’s persecution fantasy was flippant. Billy Corgan can only wish for the sort of persecution heaped on Deen and Richards.
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